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Right, so beside being a completely insane ban, I’m disputing this for a number of reasons.

For the first, I do not, and have not incited any drama. Get me screenshots of me inciting drama. Show where I am inciting drama.

For the second, I have no power to alter the appointment process. I recognise any campaign likely would have no effect. Possibly even a reversed effect. There is a thing called “fun”. Please google it.

Thirdly, as of yet, no post has been made without the team’s approval. The moderators have not even expressed any ban on any future campaign videos on the site. This has not been communicated.

Fourthly, at what point did I ever say I would mislead people with titles? This is not what I meant. What I meant is blending the news in with other, important news. This does not necessitate misleading titles. The title would have been something like “Charity Game + F2019 Update #1”.

No rules have been broken. No warnings were given against potential posts. No stances were outlined by the mod team. Just this instant ban.

If you are really so terrified about this campaign, did no-one think to firmly say no to it? Did none of you really think “Oh hey, maybe we should tell Kizzy that is it the moderator’s opinion that this campaign is not allowed to be posted to Freddit, and doing so will land an instant ban”?

You have no control over my site and it’s content, so it would continue there regardless of your opinion. That much I’d refuse to change. But do you really think saying “don’t post anything, or you’re banned” would not have been heard?

This ban is completely out of line, and Invaderzz, I’m surprised at you. I would have thought you’d know better than to follow the incompetence of the Freddit Discord banning method.

Permanent bans are to be reserved for bots and dangers to our community. This is a sentiment that you seemed to share in private. That this has changed is very disappointing, and I am genuinely deeply disappointed in the moderation team following whatever decision was made behind the scenes. Not angry or furious, but genuinely deeply disappointed.

–Kizzycocoa

This has nothing to do with Jessica’s charity (I saw your discord messages about it. I’m choosing to reply here rather than in private messages). I absolutely know you’re not using the charity for personal gain. I would never accuse you of that.

However, this has been an ongoing issue, and discussions about banning you have been brought up time after time. Here is the thing: you had no intention of stopping anything you’ve been planning, no matter what, even when faced with a ban. This was proved with the freeblue ordeal. You made it clear that when you want to do something, you will commit to it, and won’t be talked down no matter what.

The campaign you plan to run crossed the line. You have had a history of fueling or creating drama, and we have largely overlooked it. But we can’t turn a blind eye to the info you gave yesterday.

Keep in mind you have the option to request a ban review one month after the ban was given, just as does every other user who receives a permanent ban.

Thought Process

So, I responded. I addressed each point methodically, trying to shut down this ban. I explained why each point was wrong and asked for more information on the drama point. I then wrote a second part, outlining my more fleshed out position on this ban, my interpretation as to their real reasons to ban me, as all of their reasons seemed completely invalid to me.

I laid out my red lines as well, consisting of my rights that I would not surrender to them. My right to make a silly campaign and my right to use this site for whatever I wish.

Finally, I told then how permabans, in the actual professional world of moderation, should be used. I sent that off, and waited for a reply.

Reaction to the reply

Before their reply, due to Invaderzz fucking up with his DMs and leaking them in such a way that they were misunderstood, I had been accused of using Momerator’s fundraiser to promote the Fleshmonger. In the wake of this and several frustrated Discord DMs, he decided to withhold his response until he replied to the appeal.

Despite his claim, Invaderzz initiated the impression that I was using Momerator’s fundraiser for the Fleshmonger’s campaign.

Invaderzz seemed to have completely ignored most of the context to my email, focusing on the Fleshmonger campaign and my DM thread with him a few days prior. The claim seems to be that the campaign is intended to cause drama. He cites the FreeBlue incident, which was essentially the Freddit Discord staff caving to Kane over role colours. He asked, they changed them. I asked my blue be kept the same, to keep on theme with the site, and my role’s colour was reverted. Kane then proceeded to pull what could only be described as a complete hissy fit, saying it was disrespectful that his colour suggestions were overruled without his consent, as if his word was law.

After throwing all the toys out of his cot, Freddit caved, and my reasonable approach to revert it failed. Seeing this, I decided to express my further discontent through memeing FreeBlue. Let it be known, I was the reasonable one there. It was only when the words of a self-important member throwing a fit overruled a polite request of the person whom that request affected, that I decided to act in kind. I’d argue my behaviour has been on a consistent level of memeiness, but not as childish as how Kane had acted that day. I dismiss this as any sort of drama. It is our meme, and I claim it for myself. Freddit holds no claim on this meme.

He asserts a history of drama. Once again, I requested hard details. He asserts charges without naming them. This is not acceptable mod behaviour. If you permaban someone, you damn well better have the evidence to back up that ban. It is serious, and has to be provided to ensure the stability and trust in the mod team.

He focused solely on the Fleshmonger campaign and drama, ignoring all other charges. at this point, I considered those charges dismissed, as he did not fight my rebuttals to them. I considered the prime issue to be the Fleshmonger campaign, and as such, went about attacking that thread specifically. All others seem unimportant, and I dismiss the drama accusation without specific points. So, the appeal continued.

This has nothing to do with Jessica’s charity (I saw your discord messages about it. I’m choosing to reply here rather than in private messages). I absolutely know you’re not using the charity for personal gain. I would never accuse you of that.

At this point, I feel this should be stated publicly on your ends, because right now I’ve got Connie shouting on one ear – as you can clearly read for yourself – how this is going to really hit the campaign, and I don’t know what on earth was said on your end, but it looks like that’s the impression that’s been given off. Right now you’re doing the equivalent of putting your head in the sand and pretending it doesn’t exist by forcing the low way of going through PMs, rather than actually dealing with that issue head-on.

Here is the thing: you had no intention of stopping anything you’ve been planning, no matter what, even when faced with a ban. This was proved with the freeblue ordeal. You made it clear that when you want to do something, you will commit to it, and won’t be talked down no matter what.

Yes, I can get motivated to do things, especially when fuelled by unjustifiable bans and processes. It should not be lost on you and every member of your team that your very actions here is why the Fleshmonger was even dredged from the street to become the candidate he will be. This is what we’re fucking on about. Permabans, out of nowhere, for nothing other than “I dislike that you did this joke, you’re no longer part of our private group” when you’re a fucking public group.

Not only that, but I know for a fact there are moderators in your team who are completely against this nonsense, mystified that you even felt this was appropriate. That a ban, out of nowhere, with nothing so much as a warning was ever a justified course of action. If this has nothing to do with the charity (which is good, because that’s not what I said), the base thing I get from this is “we don’t like your upcoming comedy plans and so ban”.

The campaign you plan to run crossed the line.

How and why. How and why. On my own steam, I plan to make a series of mock election videos which will be a point of comedic interest, but also lay out the issues we have with what was solely the Freddit Discord moderation, but as it turns out, also the Freddit moderation itself. You’ve fought the Fleshmonger by acting in the same way that created the Fleshmonger. Do you see how much you’ve played right into the very fucking point of that character? How you lay ammo at his feet?

You have had a history of fueling or creating drama, and we have largely overlooked it. But we can’t turn a blind eye to the info you gave yesterday.

I still want to see this fuelling of drama. to say that is so easy, but I want to know precisely what is being cited, and if it’s drama or just having a laugh over a colour. Kinda hard to tell because the moderators seem to ban people based on jokes lately. Case in point, this very case. What could I have possibly said yesterday that’d necessitate the removal of my flair, the permanent banning of my account and the rumour spreading of me abusing Momerator’s cancer for my own ends, in turn harming the fundraiser?

Keep in mind you have the option to request a ban review one month after the ban was given, just as does every other user who receives a permanent ban.

Well I’m disputing it right now, and requesting hard facts as to why on earth I’ve been banned. You should not only have that chance, but a chance at banning to dispute the ban. To simply wait is to admit any fault on your end, which I do not.

I want to know precisely why I’ve been banned, and what business it is of Freddit to claim jurisdiction over any actions it disagrees with. I could have never had a Reddit account, and I’d still be well within my rights to create a humorous set of campaign videos for Freddit if I so pleased. What is Freddit claiming is so bad on my part, that the only solution is permanent exile. Because right now, I’ve got nothing but “something something, drama”, which has remained completely unjustified. It’s almost on the same horseshit level as your discord moderators bandying around the word “Toxic”, and using that as reasons for their unjustified bans.

You can still run your campaign on your own website if you wish. Additionally, please send anyone who thinks we accused you of trying to use Jess’s charity for personal gain to us and we’ll set the record straight. No one in our mod team said anything like this, so it seems like unfortunate timing more than anything that Connie or whoever else would accuse you.

As I said, you can appeal your ban in one month. We stated the reasons, and they are quite clear. I’m not going to go screenshot a couple of messages for you when our chat history, as well as your history in several discord servers are filled to the brim with instances of drama, even as recently as the conversation we had yesterday. You’ve been intentionally fanning the flames of drama for two years now, at least as long as you’ve been writing articles on your website about it. You admitted it yourself, you find it amusing to piss people off.

I’d also like to know why you think one of our mods disagrees with the decision, because if that’s true, they certainly aren’t speaking up to us.

We will not accept your ban appeal right now, however, again, you can appeal in one month and we will talk about it again. Please consider how your actions up to this point have led to this.

(While I was submitting this message I saw your newest discord DM. I’m not really sure what you mean someone is talking through me, but I’m assuming you think Jdal is writing for me or something because I’m not being as passive as usual. Wrong, sorry. Feel free to believe that if you’d like though. This was a group decision.)

Thought Process

Here, I explain further the Fleshmonger campaign, as that is the point that Invaderzz lingers on. I explain why he is necessary, and essentially state that the actions of the moderators in past months – to ban people without proper reason – is why he exists. He is necessary as Freddit has gone too far.

I go on to challenge him on his accusations of the campaign. Invaderzz seems to think the campaign is destined to fall into chaos. That’s mighty predictive of him, and I challenge that prediction. But even if people get riled up about it, it’ll be because they want ban reform, which is a GOOD thing. Or, it’ll be about people disliking it, in which case it will never gain traction. I explain the base the campaign and its intent, to ensure we are all on the same page about the Fleshmonger campaign.

I then challenge their accusations, yet again, of drama. 2 posts in from the mods, and no examples have come in for this elusive drama, let alone one that justifies a permaban.

I lay out again, I want to know EXACTLY why I was banned. I reaffirm my rights to my own platforms, and that the mods hold no sway over my actions in my own servers. I then call them out on their current standing of simply saying “drama” as an excuse, much like their Discord say “toxic” to excuse their bans, which was the initiating behaviour pushing me to make the campaign.

Reaction to the reply

Here, now suddenly, I CAN do the campaign? Huh? Was that not their entire argument? You’re right to be confused, I sure was. There is also a lie here, in that no mods perpetuated this rumour that I planned to use Momerator’s fundraiser to promote the Fleshmonger, despite them being literally the only ones whom could have done so.

Invaderzz goes on to affirm he’s stated his reasons (all of which so far have been baseless generalisations and accusations of drama), and states he doesn’t have to do his job. That’s just a plain idiotic stance. Then he goes on to once again baselessly accuse me of stirring up drama FOR TWO YEARS, claiming all my articles are drama and that I find it funny to piss people off. This is baseless, and I believe, misquoted.

The final part is due to the then-recent appointment of Jdal as a moderator. This was shortly after Jdal was added to the team, and we believed he was pushing Invaderzz to do this. While my opinions on this remains unchanged, by now, I know he is acting of his own steam, though Jdal certainly put him into this position to begin with.

So I once again decided to reply. I had done no wrong. If I do not reply, then I concede I am wrong, which I am not. The appeal continues.

You can still run your campaign on your own website if you wish.

Then where the hell is your complaint. Your previous posts do nothing to clarify this at all.

Additionally, please send anyone who thinks we accused you of trying to use Jess’s charity for personal gain to us and we’ll set the record straight. No one in our mod team said anything like this, so it seems like unfortunate timing more than anything that Connie or whoever else would accuse you.

The accusation was levelled at me in Popgoes’ chat. The accusation originated from the Freddit server. I would investigate, and perhaps will get one of my many insiders to find that quote, but it had to come from the moderation team, because no-one would take that away without misconstruing my messages. One of your guys – perhaps you yourself – gave that impression, and it’s painting the fundraiser badly.

As I said, you can appeal your ban in one month. We stated the reasons, and they are quite clear. I’m not going to go screenshot a couple of messages for you when our chat history, as well as your history in several discord servers are filled to the brim with instances of drama, even as recently as the conversation we had yesterday.

They are as clear as mud. I cannot see a single credible reason as to my ban. the best I’ve got is that you disagree with my part comedy-part critique election joke project. That’s it, and quite frankly, I don’t really care, it is 100% my right to make this, and you have no ground to ban me on that basis.

You’ve been intentionally fanning the flames of drama for two years now, at least as long as you’ve been writing articles on your website about it. You admitted it yourself, you find it amusing to piss people off.

I do not intentionally fan any drama flames. Again, show me the receipts. I write articles based on issues I am passionate about. I did it on Popgoes being accused of being a paedophile, I did it on The Dolls being out of Scott’s ethical copyright reach, and I do it on moderator misconduct, such as permabanning someone for a fucking joke, and taking 4 months to finally unban them.

I’d also like to know why you think one of our mods disagrees with the decision, because if that’s true, they certainly aren’t speaking up to us.

How the hell could they? from what I understand, the mod team is unanimously against me, which is no big surprise as I’ve been platforming moderator ethics for a while, especially as I take in your rejects from Discord, and we all have a right laugh. None of these people deserve permabans. Hell, Connie herself is still fucking banned from what I understand. The hell happened to that Invaderzz?

We will not accept your ban appeal right now, however, again, you can appeal in one month and we will talk about it again. Please consider how your actions up to this point have led to this.

I dispute any any all assessments that any of my actions have led to this. This is all on you lot getting fucking scared over, as you said to me, a Jimquisition-style comedy character. I’m running a fucking serial killer (unalleged) with high Moderator ethics in a election that’s happening in ten fucking months. The hell is wrong with your team that this is worth a permanent ban?!

(While I was submitting this message I saw your newest discord DM. I’m not really sure what you mean someone is talking through me, but I’m assuming you think Jdal is writing for me or something because I’m not being as passive as usual. Wrong, sorry. Feel free to believe that if you’d like though. This was a group decision.)

Yes, someone asked me, I felt you should see that. This is completely out of character for you, and only shows you agree with the despicable practice of permanently banning people over fucking jokes. Quite frankly, I don’t believe you’re doing this on your own steam. I believe, like with the Discord, you’ve not got the spine to stick up to whomever is pushing you to do this. Now, recognise that you’ve normalised this, Invaderzz. you’ve normalised permabanning for fucking jokes and meme videos. Congratulations, you’re now just as bad as the Discord, and that comedy character applies to you just as much as them, and is only MORE reason to be pushed as a thing. He was made to combat the poor ethics of the moderators, and you decide, “hmm, how do we react? let’s PROVE THAT THEY’RE RIGHT! that’ll fucking show them.”

Right now, we’re in a shitshow, and this is one of your making. Your people insinuated I was using momerator’s cancer, and decided I should be permanently banned over a set of funny campaign videos that aren’t even made yet. I don’t intend to go quietly. I have some community support, and I have the moral highground here, that I’m certain of. I also have the ethical highground on the moderator side, as no moderator worth half a damn would do this. If I did this, Wynthyst would be spinning in her grave.

My point was that we can’t stop you from writing the article. We have no jurisdiction over your website, obviously. What you do there is your choice.

You realize that you’re now accusing me of trying to harm Jessica, yes? I want you to think about this accusation and how terrible it is.

Connie has been unbanned on reddit for weeks. We shortened her initial ban time after we decided it was too long.

I also want to clear up a misconception: We didn’t ban you because we’re scared of you. We banned you for, again, the reasons we listed, which I personally don’t believe you are considering.

You can believe whatever you like. You’ve had a long history of troublemaking, and you crossed the line yesterday.

I don’t consider bans personal, however you seem to be trying your best to make this personal. I’m honestly disgusted you’d accuse me of trying to harm Jessica’s charity, kind of beyond words actually. But I still don’t consider this to be anything more than rule enforcement, and I don’t have a vendetta against you. Like everyone else, we’ll discuss your ban after 30 days if you wish, but we are currently not considering unbanning you.

Thought Process

So, my reply addressed their first point. If the Fleshmonger campaign is now perfectly fine, just where is the complaint? Where is it? They seem to have completely conceded the Fleshmonger point that, up until now, has been their flagship argument. The thing that “pushed them over the edge” is fine to do? The fuck is going on here?

I set Invaderzz straight on the accusations of using Momerator’s cancer fundraiser for my own means. I then move on to once again state they have not made their ban reasons clear. So far, I’ve only been given allegations of being X, Y or Z. No proof. Nothing they can point to. I’ve not even got a cited rulebreak. I once again ask, Invaderzz, show me the proof. Show me the evidence. So far, no evidence has been presented in this appeal. It’s all assertions. I lay out what my articles do, which are opinion pieces on more important issues. Defending those whom are falsely accused of paedophilia by vengeful former project members, defending The Dolls for the greater good of the games industry, and so on and so forth. I am essentially asking, if you’re going to cite my articles, cite the drama-fuelling one/s.

Invaderzz tries to pull this “go think about what you did” line, like I’m some fucking kindergartener. So I tell him, I dispute all of their assessments, and claim that the real reason is their fear of me. Now, this counterpoint actually is the truth. Momerator has told me of the fanatically panicking way they had reacted to me for some time. They often discussed my posts whenever I put them out. No doubt this faded over time, but that Basetown thing must have really shook them up. So, I know this has to be a part of that. Especially as the action leading to this had an impossibly small chance of me becoming a mod. They could not allow this. At all. So in fear, they banned me.

Finally, I write out my then-thoughts on the situation. A lot of this still applies. I then go on to flip the table. They are manufacturing all of this drama. They are making the claims of using Mom’s cancer, they assumed a rulebreak that did not occur, and would not occur. They presume the campaign will inherently be full of drama. This is them getting a roll of sandpaper and going to town at their own groins. I dispute all of it, but these mods are so worked up, they’re certain I’m going to cause the end of the world, or something.

So, I posted words to that effect, and waited for a reply.

Reaction to the reply

Here, they’re saying I have my own choice, and they can’t tell me not to. Uh huh. So you’re dropping the Fleshmonger thing? Like hell they are. This is them saying “Well what you’re doing isn’t wrong, but we personally don’t like it, so we’re banning you”. This is very unethical. You can’t just ban people because they did a thing outside of your platform that you dislike. Not unless it’s something like doxxing or some sort of hideous abuse. It is insane for a moderator of a public community to do this, as it sets a terrible precedent for moderator overreach.

He then goes on about getting upset about being told he compromised Momerator’s fundraiser. Cry me a river, your team did so to me for weeks, and despite my attempts to get you to stop (and an angry pointed Discord PM you completely ignored), it took a Freddit DM to get you to take notice. I care as much about his offence as he seemed to care about the original accusation his team made against me.

Invaderzz then once again asserts a history of troublemaking, without actually having the evidence to prove such a history. At this point, no evidence has yet been shown to me to prove this point. He also once again relates it to the campaign, so it seems the campaign IS the reason now? Freddit do this throughout the appeal. They schizophrenically say that the Fleshmonger is not the reason, while citing it as the tipping point.

They want to have their cake of allowing free speech, while eating it too and calling it drama.

So, I naturally keep going. They’ve yet to explain WHY I am banned, and their reasoning is ever-shifting between Drama and the Fleshmonger campaign.

You realize that you’re now accusing me of trying to harm Jessica, yes? I want you to think about this accusation and how terrible it is.

Yes, I do. but frankly, the accusation has come from your camp. this is objective proof. I was informed on Popgoes’ Discord, and it migrated there from Freddit, and the only way it could have got out is if you or one of your fellow mods leaked out my mistaken wording where I said I’d append the campaign to the fundraiser, when I meant charity, being the other side of my charitable intentions with FNaFLore. you’ll note that I have said I want a head to roll over this, and when I said this I did not say you specifically (though clearly the misconception had to originate from you sharing our conversation). Someone (you or otherwise) getting the wrong impression and instead of talking to me to clear it up, made a big public deal out of it. That’s all that could have been done, and yes, it is harming Jessica’s campaign, which is why I want you all to make a public statement on that to stop this misconception created from within the Freddit mod team.

Connie has been unbanned on reddit for weeks. We shortened her initial ban time after we decided it was too long.

My sources indicate she is still banned on Freddit Discord.

I also want to clear up a misconception: We didn’t ban you because we’re scared of you. We banned you for, again, the reasons we listed, which I personally don’t believe you are considering.

What fucking reasons, I’ve heard none, besides you claiming drama then hoping that’ll hypnotise me into feeling bad about something, somehow.

You can believe whatever you like. You’ve had a long history of troublemaking, and you crossed the line yesterday.

Proof and proof, please.

I don’t consider bans personal, however you seem to be trying your best to make this personal. I’m honestly disgusted you’d accuse me of trying to harm Jessica’s charity, kind of beyond words actually. But I still don’t consider this to be anything more than rule enforcement, and I don’t have a vendetta against you. Like everyone else, we’ll discuss your ban after 30 days if you wish, but we are currently not considering unbanning you.

One of your lot did, and intentionally or not, this needs clearing up now. Which is why I want you to make that statement, find out who did give that impression, and discipline them for jeopardising the fundraiser, or at the very least put them on warning. that was massively irresponsible on your ends, whichever moderator gave that impression.

Here’s what I’ll tell you: Tell these people who believe the Jessica thing to DM me, or modmail, and we’ll clear it up. Send them to us. Alternatively, just take a screenshot of the two messages prior to this where I clearly stated that we (as a mod team) were not accusing you of anything other than breaking the rules.

I told you that we’re not going to consider unbanning you at the moment. I gave you our reasons. Reread our entire conversation from yesterday, or the messages you’ve been putting out in regards to this fleshmonger thing from various servers. Or you can look at how you’ve continued with freeblue because you felt it was amusing. I don’t believe you’re considering at all the reasons you might actually be banned. I don’t need to spend time collecting an album of screenshots for you when looking at your own message history will show the reasons for your ban.

We are done discussing this, sorry.

Thought Process

In this followup, I lay out precisely how Invaderzz and his team are responsible for the false claim that I was using Mom’s fundraiser, laying out how it is impossible anyone but he could have caused this drama.

I once again ask for proof, which so far has still not been shown. Then I repeat the point on the Momerator thing. Not really a lot to talk on, it’s mostly just “you objectively had to have caused the harm to Momerator’s campaign, I could not. Also proof please.

You’ll note another conversation about Connie that’s been going on. That’s a more minor point on another unfair ban their Discord perpetuated against Connie. It’s not quite noteworthy, but pay heed to the name.

Reaction to the reply

So Invaderzz decides to finally take responsibility of this situation, and says he will quell such false rumours. It only took what, 3 appeals now? But he finally takes the mantle of “If this happens, we will fix it”. This is not the last you’ll hear of it, but at least it’s something

Once again, he refers to the past conversations, as if any actual proof of violation has ever been posted, and once again cites the Fleshmonger campaign as instrumental to the ban, as well as FreeBlue, which is a meme. A meme I have in my own server, and have not posted to Freddit. How he dares claim that as a reason to my ban, I don’t know. Again, it’s a thing he doesn’t like, which sounds a lot like a rule violation, but actually isn’t. I have every right to perpetuate that meme on my own servers.

He then recuses himself from doing his own fucking job. It is his responsibility to ban people based on their behaviour, and to back up that action with proof. He is here, claiming he can ban anyone without gathering the proof, because it just is a violation. This should concern all users. You need a mod team dedicated to the rule of law, not the rule of whatever the fuck I’m thinking of which you need to guess.

So naturally, I once again chase up the issue.

I told you that we’re not going to consider unbanning you at the moment. I gave you our reasons.

I am still not clear on this. I’ve read the rules to Freddit, and even if I presume you have jurisdiction over my server (Spoilers, you fucking don’t), I see nothing I have broken.

Reread our entire conversation from yesterday, or the messages you’ve been putting out in regards to this fleshmonger thing from various servers. Or you can look at how you’ve continued with freeblue because you felt it was amusing. I don’t believe you’re considering at all the reasons you might actually be banned.

For one, I want to point out it’s not my job to incriminate myself. Typically it’s good moderator ettiquette to incriminate me before you ban me, and even better to actually warn or temporarily ban me before hitting the fucking ceiling with a permaban.

For two, I’ve considered your reasons, and none of them violate the rules. None. Rules 1, 3-8 and 10-13 do not have anything to do with this situation, Rule 9 doesn’t apply as nothing was posted, and Rule 2 I would heavily dispute. I have not been a jerk, have been as calm and collected about this as I can, have not picked fights, have not discriminated and do give legitimate critique of the moderation.

Freeblue and the Fleshmonger campaign are both critiques of the Freddit Discord team, which seems to now have expanded to the Freddit main team. Freeblue was made as Freddit Discord folded to a tantrum Popgoes pulled, so I decided to reply with memes. I made a meme that campaigned for the return of my role, which was not mean-spirited in nature. the Fleshmonger campaign is a response to the Freddit Discord’s banning ethics, because you refused to fix it. but now, it is also a response to Freddit’s banning ethics, too.

Neither of these are hateful, are me acting like a jerk or so on. Yes, I get amused when you lot get offended and angry about it, because they’re harmless fucking jokes. It’s like how Pepe offended people. It was just an in-joke, people get offended and then it becomes funny. it’s like if I laughed at you for being offended at ice cream. It’s a stupid thing to get upset about.

Invaderzz, you have nothing here. you cannot point to a single rule and say “you broke this rule”, because I haven’t mate. Let alone warrant enough rulebreaks to justify a permanent ban. This charade has gone on long enough. You know you can’t pin me down to any rule, unless you decide to create or edit rules, in which case how can I have possibly predicted your changes?

This could have all gone away with one of two paths. either firmly tell me, “Kizzy, we will not accept any Fleshmonger content on the Reddit.” Have you not noticed I post exceedingly few Freeblue stuff here? I would have been willing to run the campaign from my own site just as much. On top of that, you had 10 months to consider how to tackle this, and you jumped in 3 days to permaban.

I don’t need to spend time collecting an album of screenshots for you when looking at your own message history will show the reasons for your ban.

That’s literally your job. To make sure users are banned if they break the rules, and to tell them precisely what they did and what the road to being unbanned is. If you forfeit that job, then you’ve essentially already lost the battle. You concede that i am in the right, and that your position is both untenable and unjustifiable.

Your only thread of justifiability was that I was using Momerator’s cancer, which I 100% wasn’t, and you handed to me that the mod team does not believe that. So tell me, what is left? How am I to believe this is not personally motivated at this point? It’s certainly not motivated by law and order. How am I to draw conclusions other than the mod team are acting corruptly to silence a joke they dislike, not even giving the creator a chance to post it, let alone telling them it’s forbidden?

Just a side note, I forgot to add the second part to that “either”, which naturally, is freeing blue. That alone would have stopped this entire charade, robbed the memes of all power and only left the moderator ethics thing in question.

As I said, we’re done discussing your ban. Feel free to apply for an appeal in one month.

You have been temporarily muted from r/fivenightsatfreddys. You will not be able to message the moderators of r/fivenightsatfreddys for 72 hours.

Thought Process

I open with the main meat of the issue. I still don’t know when I was banned. So, I storm out of the gate with that one. I want that information, and I want it now. I ask him to cite a rule, and when he had made the claim that I had to look back to find a reason, I counter that by saying that it is not my responsibility to incriminate myself. He has to incriminate me, somehow.

I go over each rule Freddit has, and compare them to my actions, explaining how, as I’ve violated no rules, I’ve done no wrong. An open and shut case.

I clarify, I find FreeBlue amusing when people who hate me get really offended by a harmless colour joke, particularly the ones whom orchestrated its creation. FreeBlue is harmless. That people despise it amuses me. I relate it to the Pepe meme, or someone being offended at ice cream. It’s a stupid thing to get offended about.

I call him out, he cannot point out a rule I have broken. I point out not only can he not do that, but he cannot justify a long perpetuated campaign of rulebreaks. I try to cut the shit, and talk bluntly. He’s got nothing. I call him out on this.

I then lay out precisely how he could have avoided this path, and made his concerns known. A simple request to keep it off of Freddit would have sufficed. Instead, he went straight to a ban. I even lay out that he had an immense timespan to ponder his actions, but it took mere days to come up with a nonsense decision without even trying any sort of actual conversation. I then call out his actions concerning collecting violations as literally his job, and make the point that if he presents no evidence, he concedes the debate that I am correct. I lay out that I have destroyed all their arguments, and the ones remaining are unproven at best, malicious at worst. I then once again call out their ability to tell me way in advance their terms on this specific media endeavour. I then correct myself on the 2 paths road, in which I essentially said both conceding and diplomacy would have avoided any ban.

So, I waited, expecting a response.

Reaction to the reply

Yep. Rather than address ANYTHING I SAID, a 3 day mute. At this point of time, I did not know precisely why I was banned despite NUMEROUS requests, and instead of actually telling me, he makes a bunch of baseless assertions and then mutes me.

Fine, I thought. I’ll let him have his little ego trip. Invaderzz wants to feel like a big man with a big dick, I thought. I’ll let him have it for a while. This was my literal reaction, because as far as I was concerned, he’s banned me just to satisfy his personal vendetta against me, and to stroke his own ego. I see no further reason, and he has provided nothing further either. Merely baseless claims of drama, and the assertion that the Fleshmonger event, which I am allowed to do by their own words, is somehow involved, even though it isn’t, but it definitely is citable as a reason somehow.

How else am I to read this other than an attempt to settle a vendetta with a tragically weak ban reason? I ask anyone, look up above. For what have I been banned, and under what rule? If you find the answer, you’ve done better than I have.

So, I decided to let the silence last until a month had passed. I waited. Then, I launched another appeal.

Hello all.

So, we all knew this appeal was coming, and at the exact stroke of midnight GMT. For me, it has been 30 days.

To start off my appeal, I maintain I have done absolutely nothing to the Freddit platform. The single, only claim that the Freddit moderation seem to even have a leg to stand with, is my claim that the upcoming Fleshmonger 2019 campaign (of which you all kindly justified his need in Freddit, explicitly expanding it to Freddit itself as well as the Discord) was going to be posted to Freddit under a misleading title.

Let us take a moment to completely ignore the fact that not only was this action never carried out, and that this purported offence would occur in ten months’ time (which gave the mod team ample time to “steer me right”, or to make a rule, or to do literally anything that involved communication between you and I), and consider what I was planning to do.

When I said I would bundle the news in with the fundraiser news, I both misspoke, and did not stutter.

As of late, I have attempted to steer clear of the word “charity”. This is due to legal reasons, in which we are legally not allowed to call the Momerator fundraiser a charity. This is quite a hard feat, and so I simply tried to swap charity and fundraiser in my vocabulary, to the point where I went too far. When I said I would mix the Fleshmonger stuff with the fundraiser stuff, I meant mix it with the charity stuff. I plan a charity arcade on FNaFLore, which will have a set of HTML games. This will include the Pokémon game. However, I did not intend to hint that it was going to tie into Momerator’s campaign at all, and have made a point that I will never mix up Momerator fundraiser news with the Fleshmonger’s campaign. all games I make are for separate charities from Momerator (unless her situation seems to continue to be dire, in which case I will consider the Pokémon game hers to raise money, and cease any further connection as per my promise)

There are two projects. Momerator’s fundraiser, and FNaFLore’s Charity Arcade. These are separate, and the only connecting thread is donating to the fundraiser lands a position in one of the charity arcade games. That is it.

As for not stuttering, I said I would mix the news. As in “FNaFLore March update”. I have done many times in the site’s history. Go onto the homepage, look at the right, and scroll down to “Recent site updates”. Look to “December Update”, or “November Update”, or “Future Plans for FNaFLore.com”, or “On the Fangames, and future releases”.

Are you starting to see now what I meant by “mix the news in”? It would not violate a single rule you have to date. It would simply be a grouped news post, as I have done many times in the past. The entire “the title is misleading” defence is completely scrapped. The gun was jumped on that, which would have been clear on my first mixed-news post.

The other claim is I am a threat to the security of the moderator team. This is laughable as not only is this not true, but it is in reverse.

We all know the Fleshmonger campaign will not end with me as an admin, despite me being one of the few in the FNaF community with actual experience working in the commercial moderation business. I am blacklisted. We all know this. We all have known this since the Basetown incident. Invaderzz has attempted to tell me otherwise, but we all know the truth. I have been marked as unhirable, and that is a fact.

Even with most of the community demanding Kairinezz become a moderator, popular support did nothing. Under this, we know I am blacklisted, and public pressure does nothing to elevate people into power. Therefore, we know my little campaign will do nothing to dethrone anyone, or to elevate myself. That is off the table. It is not an argument that the moderation can make, as they know it is patently false. The only way it is true, is if you believe I wield a massive amount of power, which if true, is known only to the moderators.

That leaves the main and only things the campaign will contain. Entertainment (a dubious value, but all entertainment is variable), a push for ethical ban reform and a unification of Freddit and Freddit Discord ban rules.

The first is hardly something you’d ban over. Entertainment is not a bannable offense. If pushing for ban reform is the reason you banned me, that is absolutely laughable and draconic. You’re banning a user for proposing a change in the rules. This is the same for the unification part of the campaign. All of this, presuming it even falls into your jurisdiction, is not a bannable offence. You could easily have said “don’t post it here”, and I personally would not. It is hardly anything to ban over and hardly outside of the rules, but sure, I’d abide by that. Instead, you went for an instant permaban.

I fully intend to go ahead with the Fleshmonger campaign, and post it to (at the least) FNaFlore.com and YouTube – platforms not under your jurisdiction. If you’ve somehow determined that such content goes against a Freddit rule, I won’t post it there.

The sad thing is, whatever pushed you to make this ban, is the threat to your team that you claim I am. It’s the thing that is turning some of your own moderators against your practices. Your unjustified permabans are your own undoing, and are a threat to your own team. What’s sad is seeing you fight for policies you cling to, only because the big bad chinchilla man thinks they’re good, so they must be resisted at all costs. This, despite Invaderzz personally agreeing that most of Jdal’s bans were unjustified, then getting personally insulted and attacked by his moderators when he tried to appeal them.

The final claim is that the Fleshmonger threatens you guys personally, to which I reply, of course he does.

That was kinda his entire origins. Did you all forget his motivation in the Five Frights thing that nearly every moderator back then backed out of? He has an inherent thirst for Freddit moderator blood. That is the character. You’re complaining a character, born in the midst of FNaFLore and Freddit conflict, has a thing for threatening Freddit moderators. It’s like complaining that William Afton is a child murderer. that is his role. That is his character. That is his motivation, backstory and aims.

The mods have not made any further claims, and I have done nothing on your platform, least of all to justify a permaban. Not only that, but I’ve not posted much my FNaFLore posts to Freddit lately, letting others post them by and large to take the karma. Your banning me wouldn’t have stopped anyone posting my content to your site, unless you want to get really draconian and ban the entire site, of which I will independently protest outside of this unjustified ban.

Further, I have screenshots of you on record stating I have not broken any Freddit rules, and it was just that I might cause drama. This is not only not against your rules, but also not my intention. I do not want ethical ban reform to cause drama. That seems to be entirely on those in favour of banning without rule-backed cause or reason. That or, as those close to Invaderzz had suggested to me a while back, fear of what I can do/have done.

The mod team have nothing to justify this ban. The only remaining argument is “Reddit allows us to ban whomever we want”. That is an excuse. That is not a reason to ban. If you go down that road, I doubt the Freddit community will take kindly to the moderators deciding who is and isn’t allowed to be a part of the main community without considering the rules, and only considering the personal attachments to the users.

In response to your actions, which effectively amounted to the Freddit “nuclear option” against myself & FNaFlore.com, I have attempted to handle this better than I usually do. Instead of going full-article mode with the personal response, videos, chatlogs and more, I’ve decided to go with this 30 day mandatory silence, only blowing steam on FNaFLore’s independent Discord for a week or so.

Normally, people jailed tend to be able to appeal before being locked up, but I decided to wait patiently in that cell, to see if that will be calmer for all, and gives you time to either rethink this, or at least come up with a coherent reason backed up with a solid rule that I broke on your platform. You have had 30 days, as have I. I look forward to the explanation behind my ban, and how it came about.

But to reiterate, I have broken no rule on Freddit. I have broken no rule on Freddit’s Discord (and once/if unbanned, plan to go directly to them to get unbanned there again). I have not personally harassed any mods (though in the first two weeks, certainly was not flattering in how I publicly laid out your team’s most critical flaws, in my view). There is no rule break, no campaign of violence, and no threats. I have been banned for nothing, and wish to be unbanned.

I will await your response and your reasoning of how this entire situation came to be. I look forward to the reply.

–Kizzycocoa

Owner of FNaFlore.com, and Campaign Manager for the Fleshmonger 2019 campaign (Make Freddit Great Again)

Hi Kizzy.

I think that you misunderstand why you’re banned. Jessica’s fundraiser has absolutely nothing to do with this. We don’t think you’re a “threat” or whatever either.

I will say again what I said in my initial responses to you 30 days ago as well as what was said in your ban message. You are the constant cause of drama, and you revel in that. You enjoy pissing people off and causing issues. That is why you are banned.

This has been going on for two years. For the past two years you have been fanning the flames of drama at every possible chance, and we have always put up with it. At some point, it just becomes too much. So when we hear that you’re planning on running a drama-fueled moderator election campaign, yes, it is an issue. We couldn’t exactly continue to give you a pass. We all know that you had, and still have, every intention to carry out the campaign no matter what anyone says.

That being said, had you made an attempt to reflect on your actions after being banned, we most likely would have unbanned you. But the issues didn’t stop after you were banned. You decided to escalate things, accuse us of somehow trying to hurt Jessica, and then personally attack us for the next few weeks. I don’t know if you’ve realized this, but at no point have any of us on the team (to my knowledge, at least) made any attempt to insult you personally. Your presence in the community has been a constant source of drama, and we decided to take action. It was never personal. So I do find all of the things you have been saying about us a bit disgusting and it’s a shame to see you behave in such a way.

Let’s talk about Fleshmonger. The comments about having him decapitate a plushie version of someone on the mod team made us all feel very uncomfortable. The difference between the charity we planned on doing a while back, and this situation, is that we agreed to the contents of the stream. We agreed it would be funny to have you play a character on that stream that never happened. That is all. That doesn’t make what you wanted to do even remotely okay.

I don’t think you realize either how rarely we give out permabans, which is why it took so long for us to decide to give you one. (This is of course speaking about the subreddit; Freddit Discord is a bit less lenient.) It’s not like we enjoy giving them and we only do it when we feel someone will continuously cause issues if not banned. Almost every single person who appeals their permaban is unbanned after 30 days if they request it, except in rare cases. However, again, you clearly haven’t reflected at all on why you were banned, or even considered that you might be in the wrong in this situation. You’ve also made it clear that you have no intention of making an attempt to stop fueling drama, ever. In your own words, “…because it pisses people off and I like to shitpost.”

So no, we are not currently interested in unbanning you, because we do not see that anything has changed within the past month. To give a TL;DR:

• You enjoy pissing people off, causing drama, fueling drama, etc. and have no plans of stopping in the future
• After you were banned, rather than reflect on why you were banned, you decided to go all in with personal attacks on our moderation team and plan to escalate the drama further.

You’re welcome to do what you wish on your own websites. However, again, we don’t plan on removing your ban at this time for the reasons listed.

Thought Process

So, I started the next appeal, lying out that the only charge they had even a single leg with, was the rule 9 allegation. Aside from that, no proof or incident was cited. It was all to do with the Fleshmonger campaign, as they keep returning to it. I laid out why that point was completely stupid, this ban was completely avoidable as it was planned 10 months in advance and went on to explain my meaning of bundling in the text with the news, while explaining the redlines between my charity games, and Momerator’s fundraiser.

I then went over what the Fleshmonger campaign was planned to accomplish. I explained how I knew it would never get me in power, and so all that remains is a push for ethical ban reform, as well as some form of entertainment value. I go on to note, I would have been happy to co-operate with Freddit, not posting anything to Freddit. If they had simply asked, I would have held back, as I have voluntarily done with FreeBlue.

I further explained that it is in the Fleshmonger’s character to threaten the moderators, something they seemed to forget. His history in the Five Frights failed event was moved over to the Fleshmonger campaign. He is their antithesis by design. The Mettaton to their Chara. It’s all clearly staged and the mods are always going to somehow wiggle out of it. It is the nature of his dynamic with the mods. So when he threatens a mod, it is all an act. A show. It is his nature and his character, and I laid that out.

I once again explained and compared what bans should be treated like, comparing it to a prison sentence. I say, they have no proof of rule breaks, campaigns of violence and threats. None of these exist.

Reaction to the reply

Once again, in their reply, the goalpost changes. Now, once again, the Fleshmonger is NOT the cause of the ban. Now it is, once again, the baseless allegation of drama.

The mods seem completely undecided as to which excuse they wish to give. This keeps going in the entire appeal.

They say I fan the flames of drama, but again, give no example. it is all fluff and sophistry. There is no content. It’s all words, words, words. Then ONCE AGAIN, IT FLIPS TO THE CAMPAIGN. Over and over, around and around we go. Drama to Fleshmonger to drama to Fleshmonger, the reasoning constantly flips.

Then, they decide to try to stand above me. They’re oh so superior, and that I did not prostrate myself to them, show regret and repent for a charge THEY HAVE STILL NOT BEEN CLEAR ABOUT OR CITED ANY EVIDENCE FOR, well, that just won’t do. They look down their noses at the man demanding answers, but they’re all too high and mighty for things such as “reasons”, and “evidence”. That’s just a bunch of liberal hogwash. That I don’t just accept my guilt? That’s just insulting to them.

Once again, they ignore their part in harming Momerator’s campaign, claiming moral hurt over it. They claim I personally attacked them, and again, make baseless allegations. Never mind the fact they perpetuated the entire fucking rumour about me, now they’ll get hurt because I showed they were wrong, but we don’t want to do that. the mods are never wrong, don’t you know.

They bring up a specific plan I had, about decapitating an Invaderzz plushie for a bit during the campaign. Once again, it is his character. I have loads of bits planned. I even have a Donald Trump reference planned. All small details and bits, working towards the greater whole of a joke campaign to get people talking about ban reform.

If I had Invaderzz here in front of me, and a kitchen knife in my hand, nothing would happen. I may drop or put down the knife, but I’m not going on a fucking murder. What the fuck do you think is going on? I don’t even hate you, even now. You’re simply unfit for office with skin so thin, someone could walk right through you, like those paper walls in Japan. None of these are credible threats, they are the threats of a character whom no-one should take to be an actual serial killer. It’s utter madness.

They go on to say they didn’t approve of the Fleshmonger doing things other than the charity. Boo-hoo, I don’t give a shit. My character, my decision to use him how I see fit. Invaderzz has no right to claim the Fleshmonger in any capacity. He is mine, and any Freddit mod who wishes to make a claim on him can take a long walk off a short pier.

They make a claim I enjoy pissing people off, but this isn’t true. I enjoy pissing off people whom I feel have wronged me. There is a BIG difference there. Oh yes, it is petty. But I don’t expect some child like Invaderzz to believe he has any fucking right to my behaviour outside of Freddit. I already have a mother, Invaderzz. If you wish to mother someone, I’m pretty sure you have Squidnow who could do with some guidance in etiquette.

They also again bring up personal attacks, again, with no proof or evidence.

Another set of messages, another big waste of everyone’s time. But, I now have 2 points. Their offence and their claims to drama in general. So, I sent another message.

Hello Invaderzz

Do you think I would have understood it better had you not muted me, shut me out for a mandated 30 days and personally blocked me? But now, I finally have two points.

Point 1

Your first point is that I like to cause drama. This is false. I detest drama. It makes me need to write long articles to defend users from accusations and bans, as well as making the community heard concerning Basetown. Weeks of my life, wasted on petty drama.

Further, how often do I cause Drama on Freddit? In the last year, the only incident was from a single user who pushed me to breaking point, which was blown up. I apologised for it, and appropriate actions were taken.

As for pissing people off, you are wrong. I do not like to piss people in general off. I presume this is over FreeBlue.

FreeBlue was started as a joke, because I felt wronged as your discord’s moderation listened to Popgoes over me. He shit the bed publicly, while I reached out to the team. After the ban, I made this small campaign on FNaFLore’s server. This pissed off the people who were most responsible, so I kept at it. I found it funny how everyone was getting angry over a colour. Some people (Mostly the ones unjustly permabanned from your discord) saw it as a message of dissent, and ran with it too.

I do not like to piss people off, but I do like to get under the skin of those who have wronged me. Is it petty? Yes. But I‘d like to know how that concerns your platform. I’ve actually been quite good about keeping it off Freddit, imploring others not to either. There’s only ever been 1 incident of me laying out FreeBlue on a Freddit-owned platform. That is it.

I’d also point out, I tried many times to have some sort of moderation relationship with FNaFLore and Freddit, all of which met with failure. I also explicitly recall many times helping the team, which have led to less drama. The MemeMachine incident is a great example. I have done nothing but try to improve and help Freddit.

The election campaign is not planned to cause drama. It is planned to push for ban reform. How would it cause drama?

I rarely get explicitly involved in drama. Drama is a bitch to deal with, especially when I use my platform. It takes a LOT to make an article. Right now, the only ones who are pushing the drama is your team, banning me for reasons outside of the rules, which will lead to an article in my own defence. I do not want this.

Point 2

With regards to point 2, let’s not start trying to grandstand on how disgusted we are with each other. I am very disgusted with you and your rejection of moderation ethics you claimed to have to my face, but subverted after I announced the Fleshmonger campaign.

You are the one acting out of turn here, not I. I am acting in the precise way I would be expected to act due to my history. I also implore you to share messages of me personally insulting the team.

The worst I have done to my mind is my comments about you being spineless. To me, this is just plain observation, particularly when, during the DJskytlz appeal, you let your team run rampant and got steamrolled by one of your own moderators who took the opportunity to personally attack you, sending you to bed upset. I am sorry it is hurtful wording, but this describes your relationship with the Freddit Discord moderators. You lack the will to get them in line, because you fear them leaving. You let them walk all over you.

You were the best option we had as a head moderator, and even when told you feared me from a friend that I believe is still close to you, I urged them to try to ease your fears however they could. I want you to do well. I have only ever wanted the best for Freddit and its Discord in my actions, which I have demonstrated time and time again. The Fleshmonger campaign itself is there to try to improve Freddit’s rules. All of this has been to try to improve the community.

Call me what you will, but I am no hypocrite. I keep Connie and Jdal in my server, despite them being “”the enemy””. They have done no wrong on my platform, so I see no need to kick them out. I practice the ethics I preach. You don’t seem pressed to do so for the Discord.

Finally, the nature of the ban being permanent. In the event it is rare, that baffles me even further. I did nothing to warrant any type of permaban. Show me where, on a Freddit platform, I have caused drama worthy of permanent exile.

All of this considers that my nature of causing drama (of which I dispute) is in any way showing on the Freddit site. I want to see this massive drama that was so bad, you need to ban me off of the Freddit platform forever.

Side points

RE Jessica’s campaign, it is unquestionable that leaking the PMs to the public harmed the campaign. Your PMs were relayed to your moderators, who then spread around Freddit that I was planning to weaponise her campaign, which was patently false.

Then, when you said you told everyone the truth, you still have moderators like Jdal spreading that lie, FURTHER damaging her campaign, to which I was furious and probably did actually throw around some defaming words, because you should have fixed this. An amount of harm has been done to her campaign. Deliberate or not, that is what has occurred on your platform.

RE the Fleshmonger, we agreed to participation, yes. But the Fleshmonger was a character I invented. I asked only for you to be a part of the charity event. You are complaining that a mindless (ALLEGED!) serial killer is acting in the way he would act according to his motives. There was no real malice behind it. He is a character. The Fleshmonger is not real. Evil cubes that turn you into killer chinchillas aren’t real. None of it is real. The rivalry isn’t real (At least until this last month).

I also want to point out that your teams had, and still have, every opportunity to kill both of these memes. FreeBlue could have been killed by reversing the decision to buckle to Popgoes. You could easily subvert the Fleshmonger by enacting rule changes and clarifications on the nature of permabans. Both of these actions will end their respective memes. Freeblue will (largely) cease. The Fleshmonger Campaign will not happen. Instead, you prove the need for permaban policy. The Freddit moderation has always had the keys to end these memes.

I am tired of dealing with your runoff, Invaderzz. The parade of people permabanned from Freddit who come to me and spill their stories, whom I then need to help, because I care about the people I interact with. They should be dealt with by you fairly and in good faith.

It took four months to get DJSkytlz unbanned over a joke, and in that process, you were personally insulted by your team. You refused to take charge, so I decided to try to push for reform as a user by running a funny joke campaign. The Fleshmonger would draw in the eyes and his antics would get people talking, but his policies would then be brought up. Discussion can be had, and the community can then help to change the policies. That is my intent, even now.

But instead of addressing the issues that sprouted him, you’re fighting against ethical ban reform because you’re too scared your own team will trample all over you and leave the team. Instead, you permaban me. It’s easier to make me the scapegoat for your failings to control your platform, and then you can go on to pretend you’re doing a good job with your discord. Ignore it all as your predecessor did before you, which ended in the channel nearly being killed off and multiple instances of leadership battles and changeovers on Skype.

In short:

I dispute point 1 greatly. I detest drama, and I don’t aim to piss off the community with the Fleshmonger. The only people I don’t care about pissing off are those who I feel have wronged me The Fleshmonger campaign would not cause drama in the slightest, and I want to know what possible drama you believe he will cause.

Point 2 was impossible (as this was not properly laid out to me for me to “reflect”), and also not relevant to the ban at the time. I dispute that I attacked you. I gave harsh critique and was open with how I felt, but I’d like to see where I attacked you.

If there are personal attacks that I have carried out, I will accept whatever punishment is necessary for that separate incident. We’re already talking at cross purposes. I’d like to focus on this one offence first. If I did attack you out of nowhere, then I’d like to apologise for that personally. I condemn all personal attacks, even ones I carry out in the heat of the moment.

Quite frankly, I am puzzled as to what you want. Reflect on what? You throw out a nebulous drama point that doesn’t apply to Freddit’s platform, so you want to review my entire life outside of Freddit for drama?

I see nothing I could possibly regret, besides any instances where I personally insulted any of the mod team.

As far as I can see, from my vantage point, I’ve followed your rules, self-censored (not posting) any shitposting memes from Freddit and followed my own moderator ethics with your mods in my chat (even in the face of your permaban). I have only ever pushed campaigns to help wronged individuals, to improve Freddit or to challenge Scott for the legal ramifications in the greater game industry. Meanwhile, you permabanned me for reasons outside of the rules, violating your own moderator standards.

From where I am standing, I have done nothing but try to attempt to make Freddit a better place for its users.

–Kizzycocoa

Owner of FNaFlore.com, and Campaign Manager for the Fleshmonger 2019 campaign (Make Freddit Great Again)

PS: I’d implore we continue this breakdown format. The last message was a bit all over the place. I’d like us to tackle this in neat blocks if possible.

Sorry for not replying for so long. Busy day and I’ve only been on Reddit sporadically. Staying up late to get this reply out before bed though.

Ban reform:

In the past, bans on discord were too strict. I will say that much. Since then I’ve talked to them and the mods over there have been a lot better about dealing with ban appeals and whatnot. I’m satisfied with how things have been. I’m fine with the discord moderator team running the discord as they see fit.

As for the subreddit, it’s pretty much a non-issue because of how rarely we actually give bans.

We are not fighting ethical ban reform. It just isn’t an issue to us. It’s not something we are thinking about. The amount of people banned- on Reddit at least- is so minimal it’s not really a concern. On discord, things have been improving over the past few months, so I’m quite satisfied with that.

About the discord:

You seem to be pretty hung up on that one incident where a certain moderator was rude to me. The truth is I was having a bad day and let an offhand insult make me feel worse than it should have. No other moderator has insulted me since then. I think I’ve made it pretty clear I’m very happy with how the discord mod team operates.

Drama:

I’m also not sure how you want me to point out a specific event that was a massive drama. It’s been pretty gradual, like I said in my last message. You have consistently caused issues and we made our decision based on your past actions and your plans for the future. Your plans for the Fleshmonger was the last straw, though.

Jessica’s campaign:

I would hardly call communicating with my own mod team “leaking”. Also, you’ve been very insistent that somehow our mod team spread lies about you. I have yet to spot a single person in the wild who believes you were trying to harm Jessica’s campaign. I’m not sure who these mystery people are; but once again, feel free to send them our way and we’ll clear up the misunderstanding. I’m pretty sure no one actually thinks you were trying to harm the fundraiser but again, send them my way and I’ll explain it’s not the case. I don’t want lies to spread about anyone.

As for “ending the memes”: you’re welcome to continue the “memes” on your own website and pages, but not on the subreddit or discord.

“Personal attacks”:

If you really want I can screenshot some of the insults against us in my next reply but I’m going to bed now and I want this message to get out before then. However your behavior after being banned was poor enough, even without the insults, that I cannot see you having been unbanned even if you had not resorted to name calling.

As for “reflecting”, it’s probably a poor choice of wording. What I mean to say is that we don’t believe you’ve even considered that you may be the problem in this situation. You keep insisting that this is some sort of ethics violation when that just isn’t the case.

If a user continuously causes issues, has a long history of causing issues, and makes it clear they want to keep causing issues we absolutely have a right to remove them from the subreddit.

You’re welcome to write your article or talk about this on your own pages if you so choose. However once again, we are not currently interested in unbanning you.

Thought Process

So this time, I start out strong. I come armed with an actual system, with the 2 points I extracted from their argument, which were the accusation that I enjoy drama, and secondly, the moral upset. Basically, calling out the fake disbelief.

I explain how I truly detest drama and ask how any pettiness with FreeBlue concerns him, as no offences have taken place on Freddit. I also point out that the election campaign is not planned to cause drama.

Concerning the moral outrage, I first, yet again, ask for the evidence. Brace yourself for their response, it’ll blow you away. I then go over the Colatiel issue, in which she personally attacked Invaderzz for trying to investigate a ban.

I finish off that point by once more, asking for the proof. Any evidence. Anything at all.

I then lay out some side points. I lay out that the only, only people whom could have hurt Momerator’s fundraiser with false allegations about my campaign were their team, as the messages that were misinterpreted were in a DM between me and Invaderzz, and I did not leak them. He did. If Momerator’s campaign lost any credibility, it is on Invaderzz’ head. I then move on to the point that I own the Fleshmonger and can do what I will with it. I then proceed to break their worldview, revealing to them that evil cubes that turn you into killer chinchillas aren’t real. It’s all a show. None of his actions constitute any honest real aggression. It’s all fake. I can’t believe I have to explain this to the head moderator, but here we are.

To bring it home, I laid out how I was tired to deal with Freddit’s runoff. To deal with users Freddit banned for no good reason, whom come to me and detail their unjust bans, finally summarising the entire email into a short paragraph and then questioning just what they wanted me to reflect on, as I know of no true charge I should yet even consider was wrong. I have followed their rules. I know I break none of them.

Reaction to the reply

The reply firstly admit fault for the bans, but claims it’s “all good now, bro”. Don’t even worry about it. I get people messaging me every single week with a new ban story – most recently to publishing this article, GBAura. It is happening too often. These terrible bans need to end.

He tries to downplay the Colatiel issue. Don’t even try Invaderzz, we both can see your messages. She sent you to bed terribly upset, all because you dared look into a ban their team made. She is a vile moderator whom should be dismissed on the spot.

He goes on to say he’s not sure how he’ll ever point out specific drama, alleging I do it all the time. All the more to gather the evidence, Invaderzz. If I do it so much, there must be an abundance of proof, a literal goldmine of quotes. Yet, my request for evidence remains unanswered. He once again cites the Fleshmonger campaign. Note again, the flip. It was drama, but why are we now back to the fucking campaign?

He tries to justify that telling his team isn’t leaking, and claims he hasn’t spot anyone lying about me. I believe at this point, I had blown up on Reddit after seeing Jdal had slandered me, falsely claiming I had used the fundraiser for my campaign, damaging its credibility in the process. He calls them “mystery people”, and says he’s not seen them. Maybe if he had the balls to not ban me on a personal level on Discord when this entire appeal occurred, he would have seen my massive fucking rant I posted in the fundraising chat directed directly to him, in which I was furious that he still spread those lies.

We get to the personal attacks, and he tepidly offer to get screenshots “if you really want”. FUCK YES, I REALLY WANT SCREENSHOTS. I’VE ONLY BEEN ASKING FOR PROOF IN LITERALLY EVERY APPEAL SO FAR. YES, I DO WANT THESE SCREENSHOTS.

He goes on to say I should have reflected that I was the problem, saying I’ve not even considered I’m wrong. Frankly, I felt it was completely flipped. I don’t think any of their lot has considered that of themselves. I often second-guess this, but seeing whom supports me, and noting still not one shred of real evidence has been presented, I reflect, and see nothing but being in the right. That they are unable to produce the evidence is proof enough – in my mind – to vindicate me so far.

To close it off, another baseless claim that I cause issues with no proof whatsoever. The ban appeal continues.

Hello Invaderzz

Ban reform:

I would still make the point that our chat harbours many joke-criminals who are banned. some, such as Subwoofer, are permabanned purely because they’re considered “toxic”, with no evidence given. There is still issues RE ban reform, as well as Freddit’s control over Discord.

About the discord:

The fact this incident even happened is the issue here. Right now, you’re happy that they are moving in a vaguely agreeable direction on bans. This is a far cry from actual fair ban reform.

Drama:

I want you to point out – instance for instance – each reason leading to my ban.

That is quite literally your jobs as moderators, and if I’m being permabanned, I want to know precisely why. just saying the word “drama” over and over is a smokescreen designed to give the team full flexibility with no actual reasoning given. I want to know point for point what dramas occurred and if they were dealt with at the time (which then begs the question, why are you punishing me over already-settled issues in the past?). I also want to know of any future incidents, how you feel they will cause drama and why you feel you can charge me with those incidents when they’ve not even come to light yet. You’re getting onto predictive fortune-telling-gypsy magic-ball territory. What reason do you have to believe future incidents will occur? how will this cause unrest or drama? Do you even have a clue as to what I will be doing? etc. etc.

Jessica’s campaign:

I would not call talking to your mod team leaking either. what I do consider leaking is when your chat is talking about me manipulating her campaign for my own gains, and your own moderator perpetuating this defamatory lie even after you told them the truth, causing damage to the campaign. I will link all of the chatlogs I have been sent, but naturally, you can find them yourself too.

Aviator, Jdal (This one is the most damaging instance, as it’s a moderator)

Both of these were in Freddit’s discord. search it, and you will see the discussions. You telling the mods may not have been leaking, but someone in your team then decided to announce this to the entire channel, causing an amount of damage to Momerator’s campaign image.

I sent the message –> you shared the message to your mods –> your mods published their interpretation of (or the full unedited) message to the general public –> users ran with the message

Somewhere along this chain, someone is at fault for causing damage to the campaign. at the point of my sending, the message was isolated to just you and I, and I had made an innocent slip-up due to overdoing my legal correcting of Charity to Fundraiser. The issue is that the message was misinterpreted by your side, and that was then broadcast as fact to the general public, causing the damage. so, you tell me where the blame is to fall for that damage? Where should lady drama’s finger of blame be pointing in this situation? certainly not to me over a small mistake. It’d point to whomever decided to spread it around the general FNaF community via Freddit.

“ending the memes”:

Sorta hard to perpetuate them on a subreddit/discord I’m banned from. this sentence is sorta meaningless? But if I were simply approached like a normal human being and told not to post under threat of ban, do you really think I’d violate that? of course I’d still make it, but you’d guarantee I’d not post it to Freddit, if that were even the issue.

“Personal attacks”:

Yes, I want screenshots of this behaviour. If I did insult your members, I wish to apologise fully, sincerely and personally to whomever I insulted.

I detest being wronged. Following my own ethos, I like to make amends for wronging anyone else. I don’t like loose ends of conflict. that builds resentment, which then explodes into drama. I’ve seen that happen countless times.

As for “being the problem”, I don’t see a “problem” that I can be to blame for. any instances of “”drama””, as you call it, has either been instances of me doing jokes on my server which your team detest, or one-off incidents of Freddit which have already been dealt with. The closest to genuine drama that I can see myself being involved in is the one that gave you your position, ousting Basetown. But that was community-wide. the entire subreddit was in uproar as he hid away from the world. I see those actions as necessary for the community, and hold no regrets.

I do not see any issue of which to reflect on. you’ve not provided anything that I should think on and consider myself as being a problem in, because there isn’t any incident I have caused? besides the literal handful of incidents, of which were all dealt with quite easily and quickly at the time.

you keep talking about issues, but not a single issue has been brought up. even with the Fleshmonger campaign, you have not brought up the issue with it. you’re just calling the entire campaign an issue. Things you disagree with existing are not issues. if you want to keep them off the subreddit, fine. but don’t pretend for a second my intent to create a bunch of videos of myself fumbling around in a killer (ALLEGED!) chinchilla suit, pretending to do a politics is an “issue”. there needs to be a negative affect for it to be an issue. If i plan to blow up a school, that is a clear issue due to loss of life/property damage. If I plan to throw acid in someone’s face, the issue is the disfigurement and potential loss of life of the victim. Where is the issue in the Fleshmonger campaign? Can you even name it?

–Kizzycocoa

Owner of FNaFlore.com, and Campaign Manager for the Fleshmonger 2019 campaign (Make Freddit Great Again)

I want to talk about what happened with Jdal first actually, because we do owe you an apology (unfortunately I wasn’t aware of what had been said until today). It seems like Jdal did misunderstand what had been said, and said some things he shouldn’t have, based on that misunderstanding. I’ve talked to him today and he’s apologized and will be correcting the misunderstanding with the people who still incorrectly think you were doing that. I’m not happy that this happened, but any misconceptions will be cleared up.

That being said, I will now discuss the points from the rest of your response.

Ban reform:

Making jokes is not a reason to be banned, but consistently bringing down the moods of everyone else in the chat with inflammatory or toxic behavior is. If a user is constantly disruptive to the other users of a chat or forum, it is reasonable to remove them from said chat/forum. Perhaps you disagree with this, however it is the way that the discord server (and to a much less extent, the subreddit) operate. We do not seek to change it.

Drama:

You requested that we list each individual, notable drama you’ve been involved in. We’ve compiled a list.

• Decoder Drama: I believe this was the first drama that the mod team and yourself were involved in together. This was the first time you encouraged drama that caused turmoil on the subreddit.
• BaseTown Drama: The head moderator drama.
• Popgoes/FNAF lore Drama: Drama about Popgoes content on your website which resulted in conflict being brought onto the subreddit.
• The Dolls Drama: Drama over The Dolls game with Scott.
• FreeBlue Campaign: This one has been going on for a long time now. This drama was brought to the subreddit in comments/arguments several times. You’ve also made it clear this will never end.
• KizzyLore Drama with Scott = How you reacted to that whole situation and how it was blown out of proportion.
• Discord banning drama: This has been going on for months. You’ve brought it to the subreddit as well.
• Fleshmonger Campaign: Creation of alternate accounts on reddit/plans to campaign for reddit/discord moderator positions. You’ve planned to take this drama well into 2019.

Why are you punishing me over already-settled issues in the past?

Because this has been happening over and over again. It will happen again. It is happening again with Fleshmonger. You have a long history of either helping to create or fuel drama.

Insulting moderators:

1 2 3 4 These are pretty insulting, but they aren’t a reason to ban. I want to make that clear. You could take out the swear words/personal insults and your behavior after being banned would still be considered poor enough to not warrant an unbanning.

Where is the issue in the Fleshmonger campaign? Can you even name it?

The Fleshmonger campaign will create drama and it will cause controversy. And we both know that it is/was intended to be more than a silly series of videos. The very nature of the campaign itself is intended to rile users up against issues you feel are important.

I believe I have answered all of your questions. Again, we apologize again for the misunderstanding that Jdal had and he will be apologizing to/clearing up the misunderstanding with anyone who still believes it.

That being said, we have discussed this as a moderator team and we do not feel that this conversation is going anywhere. We feel that nothing else can come out of our discussion about this and the conversation will only continue to go around and around if we continue it at this time. For that reason, we have decided to mute you from modmail.

Once again, you are welcome to do as you wish on your own platforms, however for the time being we do not want to unban you from the subreddit.

You have been temporarily muted from r/fivenightsatfreddys. You will not be able to message the moderators of r/fivenightsatfreddys for 72 hours.

Thought Process

So, I start off by pointing out that many users in FNaFLore’s chats are joke criminals, users banned due to mere jokes they perpetuated. Discord specifically needs sorting out, as they are completely draconic in their banning.

I once again demand each instance of my drama violations be posted. I point out, that is their job. to ban people based on evidence. I point out just saying drama over and over does not constitute evidence. I call out their attempt to ban me based on future drama that hasn’t even happened.

I point out but 2 examples of slander concerning the Fundraiser claims, Aviator and Jdal, whom the latter of which is a moderator. I actually share proper real evidence, screenshots of their abuse. I pointed out the entire timeline, and told him that the leak could only have occurred after I sent the message, and after he shared it with the team. I showed the entire chain leading to the false allegations, and asserted that for the claims to have been made, someone mismanaged one step on the chain, and that had to have logically been a moderator.

I go over my willingness once again to not post FreeBlue or the Fleshmonger to Freddit, and how they could have just talked to me, avoiding all of this.

I ask for the proof concerning their claims of personal insults, seeking to disprove or apologise for such comments. I then go on to say I don’t see anything I have done as being a problem, and say they’ve given no solid evidence for me to even consider myself having been a problem in the slightest.

I finally wrap up, pointing out no specific issue has been raised, and challenging them to tell me what the issue is with the Fleshmonger campaign.

Reaction to the reply

Having finally been held to the fire, Invaderzz finally apologises for his teams’ behaviour. FUCKING FINALLY. I’m not even on his goddamn server, and I saw this. He’s meant to be the head mod, and he didn’t hear a whisper of Jdal’s accusations.

He accuses me of bringing down the mood of Freddit with “Toxic” behaviour – again, no proof is attached to this point.

But, wait, what is this?

WE FINALLY HAVE EVIDENCE BOYS. HALLELUJAH! REJOICE! AFTER 9 REQUESTS, HE’S TAKEN A SMALL STEP TO SHARING EVIDENCE.

So, here’s the deal on that evidence, on a point by point basis:

• Decoder Drama: This is, no joke, the drama that I helped Freddit with. They had a mod that leaked content and was intent to act as a puppet mod for another user. By privately contacting Invaderzz without making a scene, somehow, I was the bad guy.

  Yeah, at this point, you can tell they’re just making shit up.

• BaseTown Drama: Literally the entire community was against Basetown, and after my post, I ended that drama. I did not start it, it had started well over a week prior to my post, and ended 2 days after my post.
• Popgoes/FNaFLore Drama: This drama, I hold out was on me. I had been convinced of a lore change that had not occurred outside of the game. I apologised fully for that, and that apology remains on the site to this day. I ended that on the same day as I caused said drama. I hardly perpetuated it, I wanted to end it as soon as I could.
• FreeBlue Campaign: Not a drama, but it a dig at users whom folded to Kane over myself. It is a small joke over a colour. That anyone can get offended or think this is a drama is insane. it is just a colour. get over it.
• KizzyLore Drama with Scott: This, I hold my hands to partially. I do not take responsibility for anything Scott accused me of, but I did snap after at a user whom, in fairness, pushed me and made a fool of my site’s discord by getting a moderator to turn against me.

  That user? They were known as Connie. That’s right, the person I have defended in this very ban appeal? They’re the one that drove me to that drama. My ethical standards supercede any sort of personal grudge I may have. I defend people’s rights, even if they’re a complete asshole. It is my duty to do so.

• Discord banning drama: Because ban reform is to be resisted, hmm Invaderzz? Naturally, this is not a drama. Not unless you are a corrupt moderator.
• Fleshmonger Campaign: This hasn’t even started. They’re playing fortune teller here. They have no clue as to what the campaign plans or does. This is premature banning for a drama that was never to be.

So, we finally have reasons. All but 2 are dismissible easily, but still, a reason is a reason.

After this, they claim again I just perpetuate drama over and over. No evidence to this statement, besides the prior incidents, of which I dispute nearly all. Hell, the first is IN MY FAVOUR.

They finally give evidence to the insults, too. 2 and 4 I contest completely. Calling him the Stalin of Freddit, a figure who suppressed free speech and tried to stamp out dissent, is a harsh critique. Further, the slicing at a bonnie plush as part of the Fleshmonger’s moderator application is, again, just a part of who he is. He is a character, plain and simple. It is not a personal insult.

1 and 3 however, I do see as insults, and will later apologise for them when I can. I said those shortly after my ban, and after the shambles of a case they tried to cobble together against me.

They then assert, without evidence, the Fleshmonger campaign will make drama. They then claim the intent is to rile up users against issues. I’m sorry, is advocating for ban reform now “riling up users”? It seems so.

They then say that they feel the conversation is going no-where. This, despite being the first actual post where they finally give any kind of evidence. Yet THEY feel it’s going nowhere.

So, as you could have seen a mile away, they decide, at the point that progress is actually made, to mute me. Because of course they do.

Well then, lets see how far we get this time until we get muted. I will argue my case to the end, Invaderzz. I will see this through, even if it takes an entire year. I’ll keep coming back. Always. Lets also see if I can send this in 2 parts, as it’s simply too long to contain within 1 modmail.

Firstly, I wish to voice my disdain for your “unfortunately I wasn’t aware of what had been said until today” statement. When I realised what was said, I raised bloody hell with the team for perpetuating that nasty lie and made sure anyone and everyone in the mod team knew to correct it. That you only just found out at that message is a blight on the cohesiveness of your team. It baffles my mind, and either speaks to the complete lack of communication between the moderators, or your lack of competence to check the Discord’s comings and goings. Neither possibility is good.

I’ll accept the apology, but someone dropped the ball badly if you only just found out about it then.

Concerning bringing people down with inflammatory or toxic behaviour, I ask what that behaviour is. We’ve already established that the Freddit moderation has the brass balls to use FreeBlue as their own joke now, so you no longer have that. That is off the table. This only leaves the Fleshmonger, which isn’t toxic or inflammatory. It is something to push a change of rules – which is not against the rules at all. It’s like trying to say that activists shouldn’t push for a change in the law, because that’s toxic behaviour. I ask what precisely you can point to, which demonstrates my toxic behaviour on any of your platforms within the last year. I ask where I have been constantly disruptive to other users.

Now, onto the drama.

Firstly, please do give up at any point you wish, because frankly, this is embarrassing. It is clear, you are grasping, especially when the first “drama” was me actually helping you lot. It takes someone who is especially desperate to fuck up so badly, you try to use my good will as a banning point. I say, without spite, that it really is quite stunning how desperate this has got from your side.

You have dropped the laughable charge of me subverting the moderation election process as well as breaking rule 9, which was not a rule break on my part, but a lack of understanding on yours. Now, we have a drama list where only 2 of them are truly valid, and were both dealt with. Honestly, if there is a better way to make me regret championing you as the head moderator, I do not know what that way is.

The Decoder Drama must be the most cut and dry case of why you’re grasping. You completely forget the entire context of that drama. I heard from one of my various sources that Decoder was leaking mod messages, including those by Scott himself to the mod team, letting you know in advance of release dates for his games. I also found out he intended to act as an agent for Gobble, to do them favours.

now, if you want, I could heartily apologise for going directly to you and not telling a single person in the community, limiting drama as much as I could (until he leaked it all anyway, then I spoke openly). Would you like me to apologise for directly letting you know? I fully and wholeheartedly apologise for attempting to stop modmail leaks, and-do you get the picture yet, Invaderzz?

Not only that, but that entire scenario exposed the mere proposal that you were going to ban all Popgoes stuff from Freddit (which would have been one hell of a drama shitshow), and that there was a conspiracy underway to ban me. You’re giving me ammo, Invaderzz. For the sake of the mod team’s dignity and respect, please try to look into these things before you attempt to fling shit at me and hope it sticks. I have extensive historical records, Invaderzz. I know everything about each of these dramas. You cannot pull a fast one over me.

The Basetown Drama was not orchestrated by me. There was a wave of anti-Basetown sentiment. All I did was gather the opinions of the users – some of which your team freely and willingly provided to me – and compile them, the polls, the personal issues and account and then funnel angry redditors to the place where their voice would be heard, Modmail. It is impossible for me to have started this drama if I was able to collate tons of quotes and polls.

Yes, I was quite a force in that whole ordeal. But I did not incite that drama. Basetown did by refusing to listen to the community. He did by being a terrible head moderator, and refusing to be involved. I went through his history recently. Besides replies to /u/ mentions, rule posts and modposts, he had not contributed to Freddit for 10 months, Invaderzz. You all need to understand that the Basetown drama was of his making.

I merely made things efficient and posted a full understanding and breakdown, which led to a speedy conclusion. A day or two after the article, he stepped down. Quite frankly, you wanna talk drama? If we say my article had an effect, I ended that drama by forcing his hand. You cannot claim I caused that drama when I stepped in 2 days from its end. If I had a major hand in it, then clearly, it was in ending the drama. Not starting or fuelling it. You’re welcome, again.

The Dolls Drama I feel was not only perfectly justified (as Game Theory later did with their episode on Fangames), but also, not caused by me. I wrote a piece worrying over precedent in the larger scope of the games industry. Scott is the one who escalated it to taking down my site and legal issues. He’s the one who initiated arguments within the comments that attacked the people and the sites. I expressed my concern for the greater game industry. Tell me where I went wrong, Invaderzz.

FreeBlue is not something you can claim anymore. Your moderators seem content to take part, and frankly, it’s a colour. You are giving it power and causing drama. As of right now, it’s a meme we use that pisses off the original people whom wronged me on that issue. I hold no regret on it, and it has outgrown me. It is its own beast now. I have only ever brought it to Freddit once out of turn. That is it.

With regard to the discord bans, quite frankly, get better moderators and enforce rules. You yourself disagree with the bulk of their permabans, as you have told me. As for that screenshot, it was a genuine worry. Thank you for proving me right there, by the way. I was entirely correct to be concerned. Either he brought bad practice to the team, or you too are complicit, and this campaign must now extend to Freddit itself.

It is not against the rules to push for changes to the rules. At all. Say drama as much as you want, but opinions and viewpoints you disagree with only become drama if you make it drama, like you are right now.

With regard to the Fleshmonger campaign, I created no alt account on Reddit. I have maintained in all applications, the FNaFLore Fleshmonger will be operating out of my own account. Also, you are incorrect. I plan to start his campaign in 2019. I did not plan to draw it out over 2 years, and I would contest that the campaign would be about as drama-filled as the current Scott V Dawko “drama”.

Now, onto the two actual proper dramas I will accept.

Regarding the Popgoes drama, I made a mistake. I listened to Phisnom (who had a MASSIVE hand in building the game) over Popgoes. I issued a full apology on my site, and we made up over it, more or less. After a long cool-down time, we went ahead with the Popgoes subsite. This drama is finished, and is easily my biggest regret regarding the site. But it was resolved amicably, and resolved well over a year ago.

Regarding the KizzyLore drama, you of all people I’d have thought would understand this drama. Attacked from all sides at once, you panic, and yes, I slipped up. It was very much like how you demodded everyone in sheer panic during the MemeMachine saga. A lot of panic, you fuck up, and then you calm yourself and return to it, correcting any wrongs. I felt I had to defend the site from all sides, as one of my moderators (Wholigan) turned on me. I was panicking, and once settled, I fully apologised. That should not have happened.

However, these are two issues that were initiated by others, whom I then panicked over and took action. I regret these things sincerely, and hold my hands up to them. But, they have both been sorted. 2 incidents is hardly a long history of creating or fuelling drama. Not only that, but you are wrong that I fuel these dramas. Very shortly after both incidents, I took turns to quell the dramas on both occasions within 24 hours. I took turns to end those dramas quite swiftly.

Concerning the insults, I do not accept insults 2 and 4 as being insulting. You’re a moderator, and you need to grow thicker skin. Me playing out an established character that isn’t real isn’t an insult. Me comparing your tactics to Stalin – who quelled any dissenting opinions by silencing them – is not an insult. The first is clearly playing the part, and the second is harsh critique. Perhaps too harsh, but critique none the less.

However, 1 and 3, they are both genuine grievances. With both, they were extremely shortly after the banning. The first isn’t so bad, but it is still a wrong, and I apologise for it. The second is out of line. I still think it is pretty cowardly how you just shut me out as if I’m some massive monster, but to stoop to name-calling was out of line. To both of these, I sincerely and wholly apologise for my language towards you and the other moderators.

The assertions over the Fleshmonger campaign I find to be fascinating. I can only imagine just how terribly you’re seeing them unfold. Essentially, you’re saying that the issue with my campaign is that users will want ban reform. I ask, why is that a bad thing? Especially considering you agreed with this ethos prior to whatever’s possessed you to enforce this ban.

But, we both know the truth here. You deny it all you wish, but I have people in your moderation. I have had people in there since before the Basetown era, and I still have people in there now. Stop denying what we both know to be fact. You are scared of me, and this is the golden opportunity to try to oust me. Call it bullshit all you want, I KNOW it is true. My sources do not lie, Invaderzz. All of them are unanimous in their judgement on your actions. I know that there was a time where every comment of mine was scrutinised. I know that my articles concern you.

The thing is, I have no power. Without a good cause, I have nothing. Yet you ban and block me, and now, I have a good cause. Now, I need to do an article. You’re forcing my hand, when doing a long-ass article is the last thing I want to do. You’re facilitating your own nightmare.

Why do you think I am still appealing? Truthfully, I am now feeling rather tedious and annoyed about this all, which you can probably tell from my more blunt and less accommodating arguments. I should write that article and expose this joke of a ban for all it’s worth, utterly discrediting yourself and your team and making you a laughing stock by highlighting all of these cited ban reasons. I should gather every single story of unjustifiable bans based on jokes and minor offences, and expose just how this team operates.

I should show the screenshots of our chatlogs I have gathered which show you disagree with the Freddit Discord bans, but are too scared that your team will abandon you, and thus abandon your own set of ethics in favour of pleasing those who claim to help you. I should explicitly outline from my sources that I know the person who sent you to bed upset that night was Colatiel, whom you let back on the team recently. That she had the nerve to dare take it personal and upset you, while you let her walk all over you. I should then show that I was there for you, offering to talk. Telling you “don’t take this. You’re the head mod. Fucking stand up as the head mod”. I was there trying to get you to understand you should not take that lying down.

This appeal is hardly for my own good. It is for yours. It’s me saying “hey, there is still a way off this train before it crashes and burns. Maybe you should take it”.

Further, you’re actually increasing demand and interest in these topics. I have a small cultlike following now, around FreeBlue and the Fleshmonger. He has appeared in one game thus far, and I know for a fact, he’s appearing in another as a secret boss, and his design is gorgeous. It’s all steampunk and I love it. More people want to know about him. I even have chibi versions now. You are making him popular.

It’s got to the point where, to learn Ecommerce for my IRL job and to satiate the following it has, I’m actually launching proper FreeBlue and Fleshmonger merchandise. Because of your authoritarian clampdowns on these jokes, you’re actually going to start making me money over this, as well as boosting his profile even further. Believe me, this first range of merch is going to cause a stupidly large splash. I asked Jdal, but I’ll say here, if you leave me your address, I can even let you have the first item from our batch. It’s going to make the Fleshmonger a household FNaF name. Plus, a percentage of all sales will be supporting mom’s fundraiser too, if I can get that to work. The forbidden fruit is always the juiciest, and the best part is, both of those concepts are my own property. No issues from Scott.

The tragic irony is that you still have every ability to shut my memes down. You and the mod team always have. Free blue and push for ban reform , and both of these things die. But you’re now in too deep. Any single inch ceded on those issues is a sign of defeat. A result you will never accept. Once upon a time, both of these campaigns could be quietly swept aside. But it gets much harder as time goes on.

Still, that is my position in a nutshell. All but 2 of those dramas are bogus, and those 2 were resolved. I apologise for 2 of the insults, but the other 2 screenshots were not insults.

I would like to be unbanned.

–Kizzycocoa

Owner of FNaFLore.com, Campaign Manager for the Fleshmonger 2019 campaign (Make Freddit Great Again) and soon-to-be proprietor of the FNaFLore.com shop.

PS: By the way, before I end this, I actually want to thank you for banning me. Mom got online. If angels could laugh, that is what I heard that night. Unabated laughter for minutes on end as we started going through the entire appeal (including all the “bad bits”, narrated in a very offended British accent). Yet, there is still more to come. More laughter to come and certainly more deep sighing to be had. It’s made my month just that bit better, and has only fuelled my resolve that I am in the right here. For that, I am sincerely and truly thankful. My only disappointment is that she refused to officially endorse the Fleshmonger.

Kizzy, you take things way too far. Please, just take a step back and actually look what you’re doing here. If you didn’t get so involved with drama, go straight to extremes with articles/campaigns and try to “expose” people so often (as you even threatened to do in this very message) then you wouldn’t be in this situation. You hold on to the smallest details – such as Invaderzz being upset once despite him being over it shortly afterwards – and blow it way out of proportion in hopes it will push whatever narrative you support at the time. This in itself is toxic behaviour and is part of what we were referring to when mentioning those past dramas. This is something we frankly don’t want from users in our subreddit. We’re not forcing your hand, your hand is in your control and you either fail to realise it or are purposefully ignoring it to try and shift the blame onto us. You’d probably even be unbanned right now if you didn’t blow this out of proportion, but evidently that’s not the case and your actions since your ban have only further proven our points on why we banned you to begin with. From this message alone we can tell you haven’t even considered (let alone reflected upon) the idea you might be in the wrong. As such, I’m afraid we are declining your appeal. You’re free to appeal again in another month’s time if you so choose.

You have been temporarily muted from r/fivenightsatfreddys. You will not be able to message the moderators of r/fivenightsatfreddys for 72 hours.

Thought Process

So, with this appeal, I held no quarter. I had heard enough, and with that progress, I wanted to go for the neck. I wanted to end this, here and now.

I started by admonishing Invaderzz for being completely unaware of the prior accusations flung at me over Momerator, specifically as I raised, as I said, “bloody hell” over it. Either his team are incompetent, or he did not check on the situation. Either way is bad news. Especially as this is a few weeks on from the incident in question.

Once again, I ask for proof of toxic behaviour. I ask what they can point to, and I point out, as their own mods use FreeBlue as a joke, that argument is now off the table. I ask how I am constantly disruptive.

What follows this is a comprehensive breakdown of each drama. I first tackle the Decoder drama, in which I was a factor in stopping it. I learned of misdeeds, and privately went to Invaderzz. Only when they kicked him and he spoke publicly was anything close to drama caused. I did no wrong. Hell, they didn’t even restrict him saying anything. They allowed that drama to occur.

I pointed out with the Basetown drama, that happened well before my article. My article was at the end of that drama. If anything, it contributed to the end of that drama, closing it.

Freeblue, I dismissed. As the mods use it as a joke, I claim full right to do so as well.

I point out concerning Discord, I was pushing for rule changes. There is nothing wrong with this. My campaign solely existed to do this.

I then point out, RE the Fleshmonger, I did not create alt accounts. I did muse over it publicly in my server to give them a small bit of panic for funsies, but I did nothing. I did not act on this muse.

I then go on to talk of the two dramas I accept. Popgoes and the Kizzylore dramas, I accept as my fault. For both, I made a public statement within the day, apologising for the drama and effectively attempting to quell it. For Popgoes, I was misled. For Kizzylore, I was provoked by a team using one of my discord admins. As Invaderzz dealt with this during the MemeMachine saga, I felt he could relate. The feeling of being attacked from all sides. Evidently, when it suits the mod team to enforce behaviour they themselves fell foul to, this gets no consideration.

Still, both were wrapped up, with comprehensive apologies and retractions. They fully explained my mindset, and fully apologised. It was not easy to do, but I was wrong. I had to suck it up and apologise. That’s what you do when you are wrong.

I dismiss half the personal insults as laughable, while I sincerely apologise and briefly explain why the other two were made.

From there, I explain their position in my eyes. It seems their concern for the Fleshmonger is, if it goes ahead, people will want change. Kind of the whole point of it. Why should I feel guilty over this, or be expected to apologise?

I then go on to state I know he’s banning me over his fear of me. I have that on authority of Momerator, as I later reveal. This is true. It is completely true. I still believe this is the ultimate reason for my ban. They fear the power I can muster, if required. The sad thing is, their actions to stop me only give me further power against them.

The sad reality, as I lay out, is this appeal is no longer for me. It’s for them to see sense. It’s so they can walk this back, before I need to utilise that power, as I am doing here, though this is just me outlining how they have no solid reason to ban me. This is but a fraction of my abilities.

I note the shop, and then I note their ability to kill my memes by acting on them, if they hate them so much.

A brief summary later, I also – quite sincerely – thank them for the ban. As I said, to hear Momerator’s laughter was a godsend. It was amazing.

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Really.

Fucking really.

No, just dismiss the entire fucking thing, fine. I put in fucking hours, and as a mod, you just dismiss it and mute me. That’s cool.

This is the mod team. A team that so-say is meant to have high standards. All that, and they’re just “nah, muted”.

Fnafgyfr tells me I go too far. Bitch please, this is me defending myself. I will defend myself to the grave if I feel I am right, until shown evidence that i am wrong. You’ve done nothing to prove that. You’ve not even tackled my arguments – the barest fucking responsibility you have.

He says I hold onto details too much, like Colatiel attacking Invaderzz. THESE ARE IMPORTANT DETAILS. A moderator must be strong, accept critique but not tolerate outright attack. That she had the fucking nerve to do so to his face is UNACCEPTABLE.

He claims my defending myself is both drama and toxicity. He claims I shift the blame onto them, which yes I do because AS OF YET, YOU’VE SHOWN ME NO CREDIBLE BAN REASONS. LEAST OF ALL PERMABAN REASONS. They dare have the fucking audacity to say I’ve not considered if I’m in the wrong. I do so every appeal I get, and with my friends and allies behind me, I know I am right. I have meditated on this over and over, trying to view the angle that I am wrong and they are right. I cannot see this in any light that implies they are in the right. With the fucking excuse of the mod team before me, daring to state my ban is justified with no actionable evidence to back it up, I am right. I think THE ENTIRE FREDDIT MOD TEAM have not considered their own concept. That they are in the wrong. A good team would bloody well have the reasons for my ban. This team does not.

This really grinds me. That Fnafgyfr really had the fucking audacity to do this. It was completely out of line, and he is a failure of a moderator for trying to take such a cowardly, easy way out of this argument.

Despite this blatant act of disrespect and inexcusable abuse of power, I decided I’d give one, last chance to sort this out. Beyond this, I would expect no unban, and get right to work in trying to utterly dismantle this group of charlatans that masquerade as a moderation team.

Today is my birthday, don’t you know. The 15th of May. I’m cashing that in for a few-days early appeal. My last one that I’ll take seriously.

So far, I have had 4 ban reasons levied at me. So far, I have struck 1-3 down one by one, while you keep muting me and prolonging this process.

Reason 1, subverting the moderation election process. Inherently laughable, especially considering Freddit disregarded Kairinezz’ 94% support rate for reasons known only to yourselves. My campaign would have also been ignored, no matter the support.

Reason 2, violating rule 9. Blatantly wrong, as I hadn’t even posted since that accusation. Even pre-emptively, you were wrong, as I clearly outlined. Posts such as “FNaFLore May 2018 update” do not violate the rules.

Reason 3, drama. I systematically disproved and tore down all but two of these. The two remaining, the Popgoes incident and kizzylore incident, were instigated by others (Phisnom and Connie, respectively), I reacted and within hours, retracted and apologised as soon as I could. Perhaps worth a 1 month ban each, to which I’ve over-served so far.

Reason 4 is my next obstacle, and it is the most Orwellian reason to date. You claim now, having dismissed all prior contentions, that being toxic can earn a permaban. You claim this without defining what toxic means, as well as ignoring that toxic is a very subjective term, and has no place in the objective method of moderators.

This is where you have taken us. You are permabanning me over being toxic. Not only that, but a genuine ban reason given to Connie has been “Extreme Degenerate Behaviour“, which is also ridiculous. This is inexcusable moderator etiquette.

You keep saying that I am this terrible person, who by rite of being permabanned, cannot be allowed into the community. I am an inherent danger to the community. That is what your permaban tells me. What else does a permaban possibly mean other than I am an inherent threat to the community? That is it’s purpose. That’s why it applies to bots and to hackers.

As far as I’m concerned, I have done nothing wrong. You may say I’ve not thought on it, but I have. I have thought long and hard, and I see no fault on my end. Why? Because I have broken none of your rules. Absolutely none. By your own standards, I am guilt-free. By my own standards, I am also guilt free. Memes and fun campaigns are rampant on Freddit. You have Dawko vs Scott right now. He’s taking hostages, and you allow it to go up. Yet a fictional serial killer? In a Reddit founded on the murders perpetrated a fictional serial killer? Too far.

What I think, is you have not thought through this, on many levels. You are now the self-elected arbiter of all online data now. You judge people based on things they say on platforms that are not your own, and overview timespans lasting multiple years in an attempt to secure a ban. Not only that, but the toxic rule expands. Today it’s me, but who else? Popgoes is toxic in your eyes. That’s why you considered banning all of his content, as revealed during the SSB4 incident. Will he be next? What of Phisnom, the true hub of the movement to overthrow Basetown, who came back to life solely to kick Basetown out? What of Squidnow, the chronic shitposter of the subreddit whose personality turned off most people who dealt with him on a 1:1 level, eventually leading to his demotion?

Then we consider how this reasoning is completely subjective. It is not objective at all. I am not, objectively, toxic. I am subjectively toxic, in your eyes. Subjective rules are to be opposed at all costs. Objectivity is the only true way to judge a person’s actions, and objectively, I have done no wrong by your own rules, or by Reddit’s rules.

In your efforts to twist the rules just to try to “catch” me, you have let go of all your standards. I don’t want any “you’ve gone too far” statements to ignore and shut down the conversation at your convenience, nor any other statements that sidestep my ban. I just want to either be unbanned, or know I’ll never be unbanned. That you have decided I will be banned forever because you all dislike me personally. I want you to give me solid reasoning backed by my behaviour on your platform along with the corresponding broken rule which justifies my permanent ban.

This is my last attempt to get through to you on honest, level ground. If it fails, I will no longer have any consequences. I will consider my permaban as permanent, and the current team, unfit for purpose. I fully expect, anticipate and plan for a no-unban scenario. You’ve gone so beyond the pail, there is no return. But I must extend one last, final chance.

I have done no wrong. You can point to no rule I have broken, nor any quotes on your platforms. All your arguments have been defeated, and any you may have had are surely covered by the length of this ban so far. There is no reason to keep me banned.

I am Kizzycocoa. I have been banned for 80 days. I wish to be unbanned.

We are not accepting early ban appeals due to birthdays. You’re welcome to resend this message or another message when the 30 day requirement has been met.

You have been temporarily muted from r/fivenightsatfreddys. You will not be able to message the moderators of r/fivenightsatfreddys for 72 hours.

Thought Process

So, I decided to try to cash in the old birthday card. I laid out their 4 ban reasons from the initial post, going back to basics. I noted how I’d destroyed each one, and disputed the last.

For this, for reasons that become clear, I will skip the rest of the details. They come up in the next appeal.

At the end, I say I’ve done no wrong, they can provide no evidence or quotes, and all their arguments have been defeated.

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Yep, rejected. What a bunch of killjoys.

Well, here we are, another 30 days, another appeal. So far, I have had 4 ban reasons levied at me. So far, I have struck 1-3 down one by one, while you keep muting me and maliciously prolonging this process in order to avoid the inevitable.

Reason 1, subverting the moderation election process. Inherently laughable, especially considering Freddit disregarded Kairinezz’ 94% support rate for reasons known only to yourselves. My campaign would have also been ignored, no matter the support. Freddit does not care about the opinion of the plebs.

Reason 2, violating rule 9. Blatantly wrong, as I hadn’t even posted since that accusation. Even pre-emptively, you were wrong, as I clearly outlined. Posts such as “FNaFLore May 2018 update” do not violate the rules.

Reason 3, drama. I systematically disproved and tore down all but two of these. The two remaining, the Popgoes incident and kizzylore incident, were instigated by others (Phisnom and Connie, respectively), I reacted and within hours, retracted and apologised as soon as I could. Perhaps worth a 1 month ban each, to which I’ve over-served so far.

Reason 4 is my next obstacle, and it is the most Orwellian reason to date. You claim now, having dismissed all prior contentions, that being toxic can earn a permaban. You claim this without defining what toxic means, as well as ignoring that toxic is a very subjective term, and has no place in the objective method of moderators.

This is where you have taken us. You are permabanning me over being toxic. Not only that, but a genuine ban reason given to Connie has been “Extreme Degenerate Behaviour“, which is also ridiculous. This is inexcusable moderator etiquette.

You keep saying that I am this terrible person, who by rite of being permabanned, cannot be allowed into the community. I am an inherent danger to the community. That is what your permaban tells me. What else does a permaban possibly mean other than I am an inherent threat to the community? That is it’s purpose. That’s why it applies to bots and to hackers.

As far as I’m concerned, I have done nothing wrong. You may say I’ve not thought on it, but I have. I have thought long and hard, and I see no fault on my end. Why? Because I have broken none of your rules. Absolutely none. By your own standards, I am guilt-free. By my own standards, I am also guilt free. Memes and fun campaigns are rampant on Freddit. You have Dawko vs Scott right now. He’s taking hostages, and you allow it to go up. Yet a fictional serial killer? In a Reddit founded on the murders perpetrated a fictional serial killer? Too far.

What I think, is you have not thought through this, on many levels. You are now the self-elected arbiter of all online data now. You judge people based on things they say on platforms that are not your own, and overview timespans lasting multiple years in an attempt to secure a ban. Not only that, but the toxic rule expands. Today it’s me, but who else? Popgoes is toxic in your eyes. That’s why you considered banning all of his content, as revealed during the SSB4 incident. Will he be next? What of Phisnom, the true hub of the movement to overthrow Basetown, who came back to life solely to kick Basetown out? What of Squidnow, the chronic shitposter of the subreddit whose personality turned off most people who dealt with him on a 1:1 level, eventually leading to his demotion?

Then we consider how this reasoning is completely subjective. It is not objective at all. I am not, objectively, toxic. I am subjectively toxic, in your eyes. Subjective rules are to be opposed at all costs. Objectivity is the only true way to judge a person’s actions, and objectively, I have done no wrong by your own rules, or by Reddit’s rules.

That was from my last message. This will be newish. In your efforts to twist the rules just to try to “catch” me, you have let go of all your standards, and quite frankly, I’ve relished in seeing just how much further you will sink over a single user, pulling a string here or there to see how you twitch. So far, you have reliably disappointed me at every turn.

I don’t want any “you’ve gone too far” statements. I don’t care that you’re annoyed by my art campaign, which followed all your rules. oh no, I started an art competition externally with a cash prize that followed all of your community’s rules, what a fucking monster. Either get to the rule violation, or don’t bother wasting either of our time. If it’s not related to a ban reason described in your own rules, I literally cannot give less of a damn, and it is not relevant to this appeal.

As of right now, it is no secret that I believe the current team is completely unfit for purpose and needs reform from the top down. I fully expect, anticipate and continue to plan for a no-unban scenario. You’ve gone so beyond the pail, there is no return.

I am no longer playing your games in good faith. Now, my goal is to utterly discredit your team, through your own actions. I will break no rules, I will have a lot of fun, memes will be made and not a single rule will have been broken. All of this will be done outside of your jurisdiction, in places where you do not have any authority, using methods that are not against your rules.

So far, every turn of this case has knocked another brick out of your wall, and now, I personally hold nothing back. The latest competition I had, to sneak in a Fleshmonger inside of any fnaf artwork in a large game of Where’s Wally, utterly exposed your personal bias here. Despite the constant OCs and crossovers posted to Freddit, you have banned this one character for no enforceable rule-breaking reason, and with no public attention of the banned character. Now, from this point onward, without notice to the public, the Fleshmonger has been permanently banned from Freddit. I’d ask why, but it’s clear that you’re terrified of what he truly represents.

Where will this end, I wonder. If I say there is a prize for depicting characters eating bananas, will they too be banned? Maybe next time, I should make a contest based on derp-faced mods. or one where Scott smashes in windows. Can I make you ban posts depicting Freddit moderators? Will you need to now scrutinise your own fanart as if each fan is out to get you? There will be a lot of questions, and I wonder just how overreaching your lines have really become.

Why am I now an arbiter of your ban policy by way of contest? how far are you going to take this? How much more power are you going to give me? If I now get to control your ban policy, what other privilege will a little bit of probing here or there give to me?

I have done no wrong. You can point to no rule I have broken, nor any quotes on your platforms. All your ban arguments so far have been defeated thoroughly, and any you may have had are surely covered by the length of this ban so far. There is no reason to keep me banned.

Here is what I want, and I’ll put it in bullet points to make it easier. More concise.

• I want you to tell me why I am banned.
• I want solid evidence of why I am banned.
• I want to be told what rule I have been banned for, and how the evidence relates to the rule.
• I want to be told why this ban is permanent. What justifies the length.
• I want you to tell me under what authority you claim the violation to be your jurisdiction.

No more sidetracks. No more games. No more excuses based on rules that do not exist. No halting the appeal because you feel I “went too far”. This is an appeal, I am roundly defending myself. Going “too far” is neither a rulebreak nor a point that you can end the appeal on. I am holding your feet to the fire, and I will not stop until I get my answer. I will be back month after month, and each time, I will demand the same thing. I want to know the PRECISE reason you are banning me for, I want to see ALL the evidence backing the ban and I want to know EXACTLY what rule is being cited.

You are mods. This is your job. As people who claim to be mods, I expect no less from you than what I have asked for. This is your duty, and so far, you have failed.

I am Kizzycocoa. I have been banned for 90 days. I wish to be unbanned.

Hi Kizzy, sorry for the late response. It’s finals week over here.

We feel that we have already given you a sufficient explanation as for why you are banned in response to your previous appeals. We recommend that you read our previous responses again.

After discussing your behavior again we have decided not to unban you at this time, sorry.

You have been temporarily muted from r/fivenightsatfreddys. You will not be able to message the moderators of r/fivenightsatfreddys for 72 hours.

Thought Process

So, attempt number 2 at this. I laid out their 4 ban reasons from the initial post blah blah blah etc.

I tell them what a permaban means, compare it to the Dawko V Scott event at that time, then call them out for not thinking through their actions. I also ask where this ends. I know they’ve wanted to ban Kane for ages, is he next? What of Phisnom?

So, I call them out for letting go of their standards to ban me without reason. I tell them, I don’t care for their outrage, or for matters that don’t violate rules. I don’t want my time wasted, and I literally do not care for their bullshit any longer at this point.

I let them know, I am now actively working against their positions. At this point, I think that’s evident. I once again point out I’ve done no wrong, broken no rule and they cannot cite any incident they’ve banned me for.

I make it simple for them, even now. I lay out the reasons I expect them to satisfy. I tell them I’m not taking any more bullshit once again. Get to the fucking point.

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Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?!

Yes, you are reading this fucking right. Because Invaderzz is busy with his schoolwork, he decides to completely sabotage this ban appeal. The sheer fucking nerve of this child. Can you imagine it? Someone is trying to get unbanned – has been trying for 3 months now. He just wants his goddamn reasons, 23 messages later. He just wants his charges. Instead, you try to spin some sob story about your finals, and expect that to suffice.

No, fuck you and your school, I will be heard. If you have schoolwork to do, step the fuck down and get someone else to deal with it properly. I was not accepting bullshit. I would not wait a month after this display. Fuck that. Three days later, I responded.

No, I am sorry, but this is not acceptable. Finals? Fine, then step off this case and let another mod deal with this. Your education obligations should not interfere with my ban appeal.

Have you not read any of my messages? I have thoroughly and soundly ripped apart each and every ban reason.

• Rule 9, utterly demolished due to your misunderstanding.
• Subverting the moderation application process, inherently ridiculous and patently wrong, as Kairinezz’s support clearly shows.
• Drama, I systematically took down all but 2 of the dramas. some cited dramas were even put to an end on my side, or I have evidence that I confided in your team, rather than let be public. I have roundly and thoroughly defeated nearly all points. the final two, I was very quick to put an end to. hardly the actions of one whom likes to perpetuate such drama.
• Toxic. I ask for examples and a definition of the term. I also ask what rules I would be breaking precisely.

Your reply as a moderator is completely insufficient. I want to know PRECISELY what reasons the moderators are still currently holding out of the slew you’ve already flung at me. I want to know which excuses I have not yet soundly and thoroughly struck down. What possible points have escaped my machete of reason, justice and some slaughter (allegedly)?

You want to reject this? Fine. As of late, I’d expect no less from a mod team such as yours. But I expect the basic, BASIC courtesy of knowing just what reasons the team are clinging onto to justify my ban, so I can roundly thrash and shred it the next time my appeal comes along.

To reiterate:

• I want you to tell me why I am banned.
• I want solid evidence of why I am banned.
• I want to be told what rule I have been banned for, and how the evidence relates to the rule.
• I want to be told why this ban is permanent. What justifies the length.
• I want you to tell me under what authority you claim the violation to be your jurisdiction.

I am Kizzycocoa. I have been banned for 93 days. I wish to be unbanned, but failing that, I wish to at least know what reasons the mods still hold for my ban.

The reason to why you were banned hasn’t changed since the beginning, all except the rule 9 misunderstanding that you keep bringing up for no reason, given that it has already been cleared up in the first days of your ban.

Your initial ban reason was preparing the Fleshmonger event, after numerous events in the past of causing and fueling various dramas. We’ve suspected Fleshmonger would cause the same, and we were correct, seeing where is it going now.

You keep telling that your ban is permanent. That’s not true, it’s indefinite. You’re the only one prolonging it even further. Why are you STILL banned is due to your behaviour after the ban. You keep saying that you’ve thought of the situation and that you see nothing wrong in your actions, but if that’s true, there’s literally no agreement between us, and there is no point in discussing it any further because you fail to convince us in your points. Fleshmonger event is literally “a drama made to prove, you’re not making dramas”. It contradicts each other. It’s clearly been made to cause controversy, to test the moderation team, to fuel your agenda. You were banned for preparing a drama event, you are still banned because even now you’re still causing drama.

And to make it clear, you keep mentioning how we’re biased against you by banning Fleshmonger, and you should know better that’s not true. It’s an unapproved event brought into our subreddit. When Kane wanted to make his POPGOES Fanart Contest, he has asked us for permission. There’s literally no way any user would be permitted to prepare an unapproved event, you included. There’s nothing biased in our action against Fleshmonger.

I’ll give you that it isn’t described by the rules, and it may be a good idea to bring up this information into rule 5, but so far everyone accepted that without a specific rule, any event on the subreddit has gone through the moderation team first. We may change that in the future, however, creating or participating in the event is not a bannable offence, posts are just being removed. Ignoring the moderator’s warning and participating even further would lead to a ban, and it’s clearly explained in the removal message.

It’s true that there is no mention in the Subreddit Guidelines nor the Reddiquette that causing dramas or controversy is forbidden or bannable, but it’s common sense in this situation. Not only we think so, but in the RECENT ban appeal, YOU have agreed that a temporary ban because of drama is fair. These are your words. I’m not saying that there shouldn’t be any rule for that, but it’s an obvious case, basic human relationships, that you yourself understand, as your message says. We may clear that up in the future, but it won’t change your ban, especially given that your last appeals prove, you’re eager to cause further dramas.

Hope that clears out all your questions. Feel free to appeal after a month.

Thought Process

So, I responded and told him precisely what I expected. I expect the bare basic courtesy of knowing what I’m being accused of. Don’t give me some sob story about finals. Get the hell out of here if you dare try to push that through.

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So, we finally get one knocked off completely. Good, they’re admitting that rule 9 violation is wrong.

Once again, note the flip-flop. It is now the Fleshmonger campaign again, with reference to past drama. Drama I just debunked. They admit, they’re banning me on a suspicion. I did not know that Buzzek was a fortune-teller, nor anyone else on the mod team. I’m so glad the mod team can tell the fucking future.

They try to pull some bullshit wordplay next. “Oh no, it’s not permanent, it’s indefinite!”. Bullshit, the two are one and the same as far as I’m concerned here. You can put as much lipstick on that pig, but it’s still a goddamn pig. The only ones prolonging it by design are you and your team. Again, this goes to ethical ban reform. You need set limits, otherwise, people like you and the team can keep people like me banned for three fucking months over a concern that was nowhere near a permaban offence, and had a TEN MONTH GAP FROM CONCEPT TO REALISATION. The campaign is in 2019. There were ten goddamn months between the concept and creation.

The Fleshmonger event is not to cause controversy or test the mods, it’s to sort out ethical ban reform. I have been consistent, unlike your sorry sham of a mod team whom changes their mind every other message, and keeps making unsubstantiated assertions of drama.

Oh, I’m STILL causing drama? I’m sorry Buzzek, I’m so fucking sorry my appeal is inconveniencing you and showing you all for the charlatans you are. So terribly sorry about that.

They admit that the art contest I tried to sort for the Fleshmonger violated no rule, but somehow, it’s still totally bad so we can still ban you because urghhhhhhhhh……..REASONS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, reasons. It’s a great little reason that means we say you’re still banned because we say so.

They also attempt to justify the current ban, by saying I said a ban of some length for both dramas were fair. I gave them 1 month for each drama, which I think we could all agree is fair. For the drama of saying I’d follow the Popgoes lore and not the creator’s word on the lore following some misunderstandings, sure. 1 month. For the crime of getting worked up at a user sabotaging my mod team and then the fact that I, whom has a genuine Asperger’s diagnosis, said “I can only dream to be so mentally handicapped as some users here are behaving” to one of their ilk, I again ceded. Sure. A 1 month ban for that too. It’s certainly not the worst way I could have put it, but I could concede that.

But that was mentioned as in, this current ban has covered those two issues. As in, this ban has no reasoning, but if you wanted to retroactively ban me for these offences, I’d argue that I have already served my time. Not only that, but I was fully apologetic about both of those issues. I have already demonstrated my regret of them, here and in my lengthy posts after the incidents, which were intended to cease any drama or fallout they could have caused, rather than perpetuating it. But, you get the inklings that they’re going to try to use those dramas to justify this one, and I felt I had to quash that notion immediately. I’ve already repented for those sins. Further punishment over something I’m already sorry for is a bit much, least of all a permaban over just 2 dramas in my 3 years of activity here.

Greetings all, I believe we know the drill quite well by now.

I would like Zach to directly address this appeal. This time, I have decided to do this appeal through the medium of YouTube. I figure it’s time to actually get serious, and what better way than to actually talk. Do not worry over the time, the appeal itself is only 17 minutes long. As moderators of sublime integrity dealing with a C-list FNaF community leader, I presume this is acceptable.

If you so wish, I can throw up a transcript instead, so to turn this into an average, mundane ban appeal. That being said, I look forward to your response, Zach.

I am Sean “Kizzycocoa” Roberts. I have been banned for 143 days. I wish to be unbanned.

Hi Kizzy,

The first thing I would like to address is your threats of “having enough dirt to crumble the mod team” and how you are waiting to go “all out”. You’re welcome to do so. I would just like to make that clear first and foremost. You don’t need to hold back.

You still seem to be a little confused as to your exact ban reason. As we have stated in the past, you were banned for continuously causing drama. You made it very clear you planned to continue doing so. Even now you continue to do so. The Fleshmonger campaign fits into this constant drama, and was the last straw. It’s true that our initial ban message was poorly worded, though what you planned on doing with Fleshmonger posts would have indeed been a violation of rule 9. But I will make it clear again, repeatedly causing or fueling drama is the main cause of your ban. I would also like to say again that you are welcome to run the Fleshmonger campaign or anything else on your own website. We have not tried to convince you otherwise.

As for why you have not yet been unbanned: You have continued to cause and feed into drama, even after being banned. Additionally, you have insulted members of the mod team numerous times since you were banned, and have encouraged events such as the “hide the fleshmonger” art contest with the intent of creating drama/controversy. Criticizing the mod team is allowed, but much of what you’ve said has consisted of personal attacks and insults. Most of all, we feel your behavior is the same as it was at the time of your initial ban, and you have not changed. For that reason, we have decided not to unban you at this time.

Thought Process

This time, I decided to go personal. This is where my policy of first names kicked in, to emphasise that this is not some game with a cheerful username and avatar. I am a real person. This is also why it is voice. For them to hear me. To know, this is an actual guy. There is a voice and a name this avatar has, and all it wants is to know what reasons we banned it for. I start referring to Invaderzz as Zach, and this continues and will continue throughout this appeal.

I don’t really have the ability to commentate on the entire thing, but suffice to say, all the points I bring up, I brought up there. I lay out my core principles and their origins, describe how I’ve been turning Momerator’s opinion against them, how I’m just waiting for this to all boil over like a baking powder volcano, just needing that final spark. Then, I address the quite positive mailbag section, where most people seem to agree with me, that this ban is completely unjustified.

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Invaderzz tries to call my bluff, to dump all I know. But for now, it’s not me holding myself back, it’s Momerator. That’s my only restraint. So I can’t give into this, no matter how much I wish. Even so, if I divulge my non-momerator content, that just makes 2 medium splashes of half-interest. No, if I’m to ruin their credibility properly, I am to do so in one almighty explosion with information I know from Momerator, not some tiddly stones in a pond.

Once again, the ban reason fucking changes. Now it is back to the same fucking drama I disproved. Throwing the word “drama” at me, hoping some Jedi mind trick will happen. Then it turns to the Fleshmonger, which remember was not a problem several banlogs ago, which is now still totally a problem even though we said sure, post it.

They try to make out my plans for the title would now violate rule 9. so close, but they’ve just fucking regressed on the most easily-disproven ban rule. Then they make another point that my campaign is ok? This team is the most schizophrenic excuse for a team, flip-flopping with every other word. It’s insanity. It’s a madhouse. It’s the mindset of “oh, no, the campaign is fine! Go ahead with it. But we’re GOING TO FUCKING BAN YOU, YOU ASSHOLE. HOW DARE YOU CAUSE ALL THIS DRAMA WE’RE PREDICTING!!!”. It’s just pure insanity, refined.

They try to reference the art campaign, the one I did after 4 months or so of being banned. Like hell will I accept that as my ban reason, seeing as it occurred months after the ban. If they think that will fly, they’ve another thing coming. But once again, they can’t help themselves. They say I personally attacked and insulted them, with no further proof. Apparently, that’s all I have done. And of course, naturally, as I still believe I am innocent, that is the issue, and is also why I am banned. How fucking dare I still defy the almighty words of god-emperor Zach. Why do I not roll over, and expose my soft belly for them to feast upon? Such insolence! You will be banned for ONE HUNDRED YEARS for violating the HOLY ORDER of “WE’RE ALWAYS RIGHT SO SHUT THE FUCK UP”.

I won’t be seen prostrating myself to any team whom doesn’t even have a solid ban reason. They think they have a solid reason by just yelling “DRAMA!!!!”. Because what else do they need? He is just the drama guy? Why? My dear friend, have you learnt nothing? It’s because reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssoooooooons.

Hello Zach.

This absolute toss again. I want to see these insults you state I have made. Show me these insults, I’ll strike them down quicker than the last time you claimed I insulted you in my appeals.

The campaign was perhaps a poor move, but again, there is absolutely no rule against it. If you plan to cite something as a rule-break, it’s common courtesy for me to have actually broken a rule. Also it is event. Singular, not plural.

I ran that event to see just how insane the team would be over it. As it turns out, so insane that the only artwork submitted, one that didn’t even qualify, was banned. This despite the fact it is entirely FNaF-related, and that you seem perfectly fine to allow other FNaF community characters, including your own. Hell, even Bendy, Baldi and the like get a pass if somehow tenuously FNaF-related. But SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THE FLESHMONGER OR TWO WEEK BAN. completely hysterical. So clearly, the ban is about the character, not the event.

Unless you’d be fine with other people adding him on the subreddit outside of the contest, which lets be honest with ourselves, like hell that will be allowed. I can try to ask people to do so as a further test. How about I give that a go? See how they end up.

It would be courteous for you to inform me of any reprimand an artist would face early, by the way. Rather than just another sudden permaban.

Concerning the actual campaign, again, it is outside of your purview, and it’s sole intent is to advocate a rule change. The only controversy you seem to see is the quite childish reaction of “oh noes, he kills mods!”, when that is exactly his origins. that’s why he was picked. because of what little stage-hate he had against the team. This, despite the fact that, given have the chance, the Fleshmonger would decapitate a thousand newborns just as soon as he would a moderator. The only factor is proximity. But again, none of this matters as none of it is your business. if done just on my site and discord, you have no ground to ban me for it, and even then, it is just polite to tell someone “oh this thing you’re planning to do? not allowed on the subreddit” rather than fucking permabanning them without notice. You act like I was hell-bent on doing these posts on Freddit, as if I was always 100% going to post it, that I had already started the campaign. I mused on ways to overcome it, perhaps grouped news. But that was it, and you did not establish he was a banned topic. Nothing was even fucking made when you banned me.

Concerning drama, I disproved all but 2 of them, of which I ended those dramas on the same days that they started, and both were agitated by outside members of the community. One of these dramas, I ranted on in the video, concerning Justin and Wally’s accusations over the Basetown incident. You’ve dropped those accusations in our appeal chain. They are done. You cannot yet again pick them up like an amnesiac. If there are any more dramas you wish to cite (especially the own-goal ones like the one I fucking helped you to stop that you cited in your prior attempts to prove this point), bring them to me so I can smash them too. You have no valid claim that I cause drama, let alone continuously.

And yes, I do need to hold back. For some god-awful reason, Momerator sees has some faith in you I’ve get to stamp out, and requests I hold back. I don’t know what she’s talking to you about, but I can’t wait until you let her down, and she sees this further nonsense. another chisel to her faith in the team.

And of course I’ve not changed. I know I am in the right here. I’ve done no wrong. the fact you cannot cite a single incident, or a single rule break, lends great power to my side. That I have a slew of actual sane adults on side, that my opponents can only attempt to slander and insult me (with Freddit consent in your Discord, I may add. No-one seemed to want to stop this slew of insults and slander), I know I am on the right path. I am on the right side of this. Once again, cite my rulebreak. Cite where on the site I broke any rules. Cite the rule. Then, justify a permaban – something meant to be used for dangerous users/bots – with whatever you try to claim as evidence.

If the argument to keep me banned is that my behaviour is unchanged now, rather than any actual rulebreak, then ho boy, give me that chisel, I’ll get right to fucking work with that one. Keeping someone whom was unfairly banned banned, just because “well we don’t like how he acts, so he has to change his entire fucking personality to prostrate himself to us“. That’ll be a doosey of a chisel.

I am Sean “Kizzycocoa” Roberts. I have been unjustly banned for 146 days. I wish to be unbanned.

As Invaderzz mentioned in the previous message, “you are welcome to run the Fleshmonger campaign or anything else on your own website”. Even more, we don’t want to censor your character. When Rodrigos posted art with the character in it, we removed it because we knew about your “hide the fleshmonger” contest and the intent that it had. Should you be unbanned, you’re free to use Fleshmonger in a way that isn’t intended to cause controversy or drama.

You’re not banned because we’re afraid of your campaign or because we didn’t like it. As we said, you cause, fuel and feed into dramas. You say that you haven’t changed and you don’t want to. Okay, so if we unban you, “Mod Ethics” Fleshmonger campaign will go the same way your “Unban” Fleshmonger campaign goes. Same with any other campaign or project in the future will do. It may even be civil in the beginning, we don’t imply it will be a total disaster. But “you know you’re right” and you won’t stop until you win. It has happened in the past with the dramas you were a part of. If you end up in a minority, if the community disagrees with you, what will happen? We have no doubts that it won’t end well, what do you think?

Quoting you: “I ran that event to see just how insane the team would be over it.” – Alright. So you just created an event to cause drama/controversy in order to provoke the moderation team. It’s not “I made an event and moderation team overreacted” but “I made an event to make the moderation team overreact”. We still believe that the removal was fair, because you did it on our platform without our permission as a banned user, and it was supposed to ignite drama. Nobody would be unfairly banned for two weeks because of the contest. Every contestant would be warned, and banned only if they ignored the warning and participated again regardless.

What’s interesting about your recent ban appeal – it’s barely referring to your ban. You widely explain Fleshmonger, you mention a lot of unrelated dramas, but there’s little to no about your ban. Although you keep saying that “Nobody posted the appeal on the subreddit on your behalf”, it’s quite clear that it was an intended way for it, it can be still considered as posting on your behalf when you “just suggested it being posted on the sub”. It wasn’t just a ban appeal but a message to the community to even further stir up the drama. Even if you aren’t going to admit that – you said in the video that you’re talking full responsibility for your community, so take it.

You requested to see evidence of personal attacks/insults against members of the mod team, there are a few examples.

We don’t really see this discussion going any further. “You know you’re right”. You keep protecting the points you were banned for and we don’t agree with that. If you won’t change, we won’t change. That’s all. Recently you’ve been bringing up the same points over and over again and we won’t get anywhere with that. If you continue to retread the same points again, we won’t accept your future appeals and just direct you to previous discussions. If you don’t have anything new to add to the discussion that wasn’t brought up before, that’s all for this appeal.

Thought Process

I immediately call out the bullshit about the insults. I’ve been on this rodeo before, I know what to do.

I admit the art campaign was a poor move, but there’s no rule against it. I also correct his subtle use of language to say “events”. There was only 1 event on Freddit I tried to do. You can see, it’s very subtle, isn’t it? a stray s can make all the difference, and I am sure they did so thinking it sounded worse.

I once again explain the Fleshmonger campaign to them, and then challenge their ruling of drama, again. I call for their current list of dramas I have not smashed. Good fucking luck, spoiler alert, for this and the next 2 appeals, you’ll get no answers.

I call them out for constantly switching the reason. From Fleshmonger to not the Fleshmonger. Drama, to me smashing the drama, then nope, that didn’t happen! Drama again. The act is drawing thin.

I bring up their slander. Eh, I dislike this part. I did it mostly to try to get them on the back-foot. Honestly, I don’t care. But they sure seem to care, and ready yourself reader, for I know what will come shortly. Brace yourself. But, I call them out for not laying out any coherent ban reason, quotes and for simply allowing people to slander me, because clearly they seem to think that latter thing is a big issue too. Sometimes it is, but their quotes so far have been beyond soft.

I call them out for the narrative I can see surfacing. “Oh, his behaviour since is now the justification, even though nothing up until this point broke the rules, oh now we just, can’t unban him! He just keeps defending himself, it’s too much. No, keep him banned”. I can smell that shit a mile off, and I won’t take it.

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Remember how I told you to brace yourself? Get ready. Here it comes.

So, once again, Buzzek let me know, even though the campaign is not ok, it is ok. Because that makes total sense.

They once again assert the drama thing. They claim I am causing, fuelling and feeding dramas. Once again, some fucking evidence would be quite nice right about now.

They start gazing into their crystal balls, foretelling how my campaign will go. I don’t care about violations I’ve not even done, why the fuck are you wasting both your own time and mine on this nonsense? I’ve not done what you’re charging me with here. This is the dream of a delusional and maddened mind, one that is completely out of touch with reality. I do not care for your predictions. Fucking proof. Give me proof. Everything else means fucking nothing.

They try to claim here that it is now my fault that they overreacted and banned art because of my competition, which broke no rules. They once again claim it was to ignite drama. Absolutely not. I told everyone, if you enter, keep it quiet. I don’t want this to explode. Hell, some of the points criteria are for keeping it as quiet and subtle as possible.

Then, he has the fucking nerve to claim I am not talking about the ban. I was talking about the only thread in the ban I have left. I have defeated all drama points. if more remain, bring them to me. Until then, they’re gone. Defeated. One of them was even an own goal, for fucks sake. I SLAUGHTERED your drama reasons. The Fleshmonger is all you have left, from where I’m standing. That’s why it’s all about him. That and the mod team constantly citing then unciting him.

They accuse me of encouraging this video be posted elsewhere. Once again, EVIDENCE WOULD BE NICE RIGHT ABOUT NOW.

And then, they provide evidence for the insults. Oh boy, do they provide evidence.

Sensibly, they removed the 2 points from the last image, because as I said, they were bullshit. But they kept the old 2. The top two, I have already apologised for.

Lets skip 3, and go to 4. I stand by 4. When the head mod doesn’t stand up against a user who sent him to bed upset after personally attacking him, that mod is a spineless mod. They need to discipline the mod, or otherwise pass the mantle to someone more mentally capable of holding that seat of power.

The last three are over Colatiel. She is a snake. I say this as opinion. The way she got JuniorGenius demoted on Freddit’s Discord, as well as the silencing thereof of any conversation of the ban, makes her a snake, a censor and ultimately, a dick. Fuck Colatiel, she should be removed. Especially as she had the fucking nerve to attack the head mod. No, fuck her, she needs to go. She is a vile mod and does not deserve her seat at the table.

Now, the main course. 3. Oh god, 3. I provide the context in the next banlog, but to summarize, in the FNaFLore discord, I made a joke that Invaderzz wouldn’t even be man enough to take a dick. The premise being that heterosexual sex involved women, and was therefore less manly than homosexual sex, which is all men. Yes, this is the quality of our chats on FNaFLore sometimes. SOMEHOW, HE TOOK OFFENCE TO THIS.

Like, come the fuck on, where do you think I will go with this. Any bumbling fool could see my reaction to this offence coming a mile off.

They end off by accusing ME of being the one retreading old ground. The fucking brass balls that Buzzek has to suggest such a thing after their pitiful attempts to make “general drama” stick with nary a screenshot or an example that I didn’t shoot down, and to constantly flip-flop on the Fleshmonger. It’s time to face the mirror, and I will glue every single moderator’s foreheads to that mirror by the time my appeal is done, and I am unbanned. Mark my goddamn words, I will make that happen.

Hello. Filip, is it?

I see. I will then inform everyone, outside of the competition, to post any Fleshmonger they see fit then. We will see how you all react. See if there are any shred of standards you lot still hold. I will hold the subreddit to this message.

You all claim my campaign will cause drama. I disagree. you have no proof it will. This is an issue built on paranoia of the campaign. I have stated it’s sole goal. Tell me, do you feel pushing for ban reform in any way incites drama? Define Drama please, if you will.

Oh, I won’t stop Filip. However, this does not mean I will break rules. If the campaign is too spicy for your team to handle, why not fucking tell me it’s not allowed. I will give you that your team are literally shaking in their boots at all the scary (((drama))) of the campaign’s comments on Freddit, sure. Why not. But then, why would you, instead of banning the subject, ban me?

As for not stopping, this is only for issues I know I am right on. Popgoes? dropped and apologised. Kizzylore? apologised instantly. Both of which I may add, were agitated by others. Though, I hold a large part of the blame pie in both. I do not see myself as a monolith, Filip. Only a madman would think they’re right all the time, and I will admit my fault. But when I see the proof, hear the stories and have most of the adult section of Freddit on my side, this scale is heavily tipped. I know I am in the right, especially when I get ever larger users on side. You’re digging your own grave, and you don’t even know it.

I ran that event because I knew, even if it was FNaF-related in whole or part, you’d ban it. The event was to stufy your reactions, and you reacted just as I thought you would. but, we’ll see how this next one goes. people can post the Fleshmonger? sure. lets see how long until you backtrack that one.

As for causing drama, fucking show me the dramas.* Enough games, enough stalling. You all banned me, so pony up with the reasons. What, you told me already? I disproved all but two of them, of which those last two I ended quickly. If you wish to contest any of them, STATE THIS. DON’T ASSUME I CAN READ MINDS. I want ACTUAL DRAMA REASONS, not vague “oh, well you cause drama” nonsense. You can’t possibly think that sentiment will fly here. I will not accept this unless you actually put your money where your mouth is, and cite this elusive drama you speak of.

My ban appeal is referring to the sole reason you have left. All other reasons are smashed. If this is not the case, LAY OUT THE OTHER REASONS. I am dying to discredit each and every one, as I have done so far. My focusing on the Fleshmonger proves this team’s incompetence to lay out my charges. That I felt it was the only reason left shows you lot are terrible at communication.

I have not encouraged anyone to post the appeal. it is public, as is every message, including your latest one. I did the video to make this real. I am referring to you all by name to show I’m not fucking around anymore. Your quaint ban fumbles amused me, but now, no longer. I demand to know what you are banning me for, and I will fight this until the end of time, all the while advocating for this team’s removal or reform. I demand you all tell me what you have banned me for. The video was intended for you, but publicly open. I encouraged no posting. I didn’t discourage it, and kept track when people posted it. but I asked no-one to post it. Prove I did. As the saying goes, put up or shut up. I am done with evidence-less claims. Each one makes your side less credible, and though it is still great to collect that proof, I am no longer amused by the incompetence of this team.

I said I’d take full responsibility for my mods and their moderator conduct. This is literally recorded. Don’t even try to twist my words when they are laid bare for all to listen to.

Concerning the block, that’s a nice hand-picked contextless block of quotes! I didn’t fancy the team as a bunch of quoteminers, but nice one! Another chisel to my hand.

First one was in the heat of the moment, and I have apologised for it, even though it is hardly that bad. Still, my bad there. Same with the second.

Now, the new quotes. I will note you removed the other two that I said weren’t insults. good to see your team finally having some sense about you. Concerning quote three, are you fucking shitting me? that was part of a joke thread you absolute killjoys. Here is the full context. Get a fucking sense of humour.

You know what? No, I am sorry. I was out of line. Zach, that was wrong of me. You are manly. I bet you take literally thousands of dicks a week. I am happy to flip my claim completely. you are so manly, you take a veritable pile of dicks right to the chungus every single day.

IS THIS REALLY YOUR FUCKING ARGUMENT?! My dear god, you’re just fucking throwing chisels at me. No, seriously, I want you to answer to this. What the fuck did you expect me to think of this part of your claim to personal insults? How was it an insult. I demand to know. How did you get offended, Zach. I demand to know how.

Concerning the last few messages, I stand by that. Cola is a corrupt moderator. She censored the fuck out of the Junior incident, demoted him for no reason and proceeded to act super fucking shady, silencing anyone whom dared speak against the decision, or question it. She’s also the one who personally chewed out the fucking head of the team over a ban. You don’t do that. That is the last thing you do. You act civil in all respects to moderation. you accept questions, and you don’t send your fucking head mod to bed in tears.

She is a snake, and needs to be rooted out. This is critique. It is an opinion, justified by her deplorable actions. I stand by all 3 of those comments.

No, I too don’t see this going further. This is a vendetta you are acting out, and the more twisted your team becomes in this way, the more I get to destroy your credibility. It’s the only reason I even try any more, because with every reply, your team loses just a bit more credibility. Oh, you have every chance to correct your course with each response, but instead, you dive off the cliff even harder.

I retread the same point your lot wheel out. Quite fucking frankly, I’m tired of your team playing the amnesiac. You all dropped all past point, but somehow, now drama has come back DESPITE ME FULLY DISPROVING THAT ASPECT OF YOUR ARGUMENT. If you have some new evidence you want to try to use to justify my ban, bring it. do not then suddenly “forget” you dropped that part of your appeal. I will stop retreading past incidents when you follow suite.

I am Sean “Kizzycocoa” Roberts. I have been unjustly banned for 147 days. I wish to be unbanned.

We’re done discussing your appeal. Feel free to appeal in a month.

Thought Process

As in the prior message they said that the Fleshmonger isn’t banned, just the contests, I thanked them. Please, if anyone reading this wish, do make some art of him. They’ve said it’s ok. I’m sure they won’t go back on their word. What? They never do that. Have you not seen this coherent and well-sourced appeal? Nah, they’d never, ever go back on their word.

I call out their lack of proof about my campaign causing drama, and ask them to define what drama the campaign will cause. I tell them I will not stop, but that I will not break their rules either. All I’ve done so far has been above-board. I once again call them out on not consulting me in the 10 month span from conception to realisation, which to this day is not yet over.

I once again, for the fuck-knows-how-many-th time demand the drama proof. No more stalling. I want reasons. I demand the reasons I am being accused for starting drama. LIKE FUCK WILL I GET THEM, but I will try nonetheless. I lay out the mere fact there is still confusion is a blight on their own credibility.

I explain why I did the video. I once again say I did not encourage or discourage it being posted. I stand by this. Find evidence that I told people to post it. I am not fucking around, I tell them to put up or shut up.

I congratulate them on quote-mining, and go over the new quotes. I address the 3rd quote, the manly incident, first.

Invaderzz is offended that I said he’d not even take a dick, so he’s not manly. I mean, come the fuck on. What did you expect me to respond like? I apologised. Invaderzz, you CAN take a dick. You are so manly, I’m not sure I could calculate the traffic of DAT ASS. It’s like spaghetti junction all up in that bitch, final stop, Invaderzz’s intestines.

Just, what did they expect? They found offence in a fucking joke that, in its context, is quite clearly a joke. Yet they took offence. Paper thin, the mods are. Just paper thin sense of personal attacks.

I stand by my Colatiel comments, and explain the position. She is a snake that is not to be trusted. I remain firm in that assessment.

I call them out for retreading points, forcing me to do the same. For playing the amnesiac. For mixed messages. I demand the new evidence they must clearly have.

I will note at this point, you often see me referring to chisels. When I say I gain a new chisel, it means I get another piece of evidence to chip away at Momerator’s respect for the team, referring to my claims that I am actively attempting to chisel away at that respect. My goal is to, ultimately, have her support this campaign for ethical ban reform, and possibly, the installing of a new moderation team. The community love her, and she is mostly on side, but does not wish to publicly endorse all this yet, favouring diplomacy first. Every stupid argument or incident is what I call a “chisel” to her belief in the team, and it is my hope that once I demonstrate they are completely beyond redemption, once I collect enough chisels, she will join me in this campaign, and it’s weight will be immense with such a beloved and wise figure backing it. That is what I refer to with chisels.

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Naturally, what else do you expect? Completely humiliated and outplayed, they can do nothing but shut down the conversation for yet another month. Cowards, the lot of them. Face me like men. This appeal should have ended within the month it was brought up. You only delay the inevitable by feigning outrage, and shutting it down.

So, that’s it? Just wait another arbitrary amount of time to return to this point. A point in which I have no idea why I am banned, and as such, no way to properly appeal, leading to yet another situation where most likely, you’ll decide to delay yet again? To leave me at this point is a failure and a blight on the credibility of your team.

Or does the mod team plan to actually do their job and reply to me here, just that it will take a stupidly long amount of time until they decide they’ll be bothered to do so. I can just copy and paste that text block for next time.

In my days, moderators did not hide for months at a time. They’d sucked it up and sat down at whichever tables they had to. Why the fuck are we still entertaining this mandatory timeout system that clearly only the moderators want to enforce to delay and delay and obfuscate? You’re making something that should have lasted weeks, last months and months.

All the while, leaving me in the dark as to why I am still banned. All your reasons smashed, I tried to completely route your campaign reason this time, yet due to the incompetence of this team, the true reason yet again shifts. If you are to leave me, then as even a mediocre team would do, tell me why I am banned. then the mod team can have their little recess.

You have been temporarily muted from r/fivenightsatfreddys. You will not be able to message the moderators of r/fivenightsatfreddys for 72 hours.

Thought Process

So, I try to get an answer. I want to know why I was banned. That is their job. I deserve that much. I call them out on hiding, and their time management. I demand to be told why I am banned.

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Well again, what did you expect. They’ve not got a leg to stand on.

Following this, I decided to work on the next two phases of this. First was this article, while the second is still a ways off, but much more exciting. But, that time of ban appeal came around quickly, as the mod team seemed to feel a sudden and completely unrelated urge to explain their ban policy. Blood in the water? Possibly. In shortening the appeal time from 30 days to 14 days, I sent through another appeal, of course.

Hello Zach

I saw the time for ban appeals was cut to 14 days, so I may as well get this ball rolling now. I’m much too busy for a full spirited fight like the last few, but I will make time once this Sunday has passed.

Now, I saw your post, and you were right. It did not satisfy me at all. It still needs reform, and I shall continue to push for it. But I am setting aside that goal for now. At least, until Sunday. My life exists outside of these appeals, and I have some lovely cousins whom wish to play D&D with me, so my focus must be elsewhere. So let me get to the point.

My goal with you here is simple. We seem to be at cross purposes. I think I got banned for the Fleshmonger campaign, but clearly, you think I am banned for something else.

So, as I have been asking for since the start of the appeal, lets lay down the actual base evidence of this ban. I personally will hope this is the last time we need to do this – much like your team no doubt hope for as well. So consider this a final exercise in, as you believe, repeating yourself. Dumbing yourself down to my evidently low IQ, to explain my ban reasons one last time.

Here is what I want, to make it super simple on my inferior brain:

• I want specific rulebreaks to be cited for my ban on the 23rd of February, 2018 in a list format.
• For each of these specific rulebreaks, I want each specific event to be cited in a list format.
• For each of these specific events, I want the actionable evidence to be linked to or referenced.

Here is what I do not wish to see, because it will overwhelm my poor and battered cranium:

• Any events since the ban was made on the 23rd of February, 2018. If you need to go through these, we can leave these until after this ban is resolved.
• Buzzwords presented without any form of evidence. This includes simply saying the words “drama” or “toxic”, as if by parroting those words, you are somehow justified.
• Excuses as to why this cannot be provided. If you cannot prove guilt for any point, that point is null and void, as far as I am concerned. No proof, no conviction.
• Events or incidents where you presume drama will occur, but the events have yet to happen. You are not mind readers. You cannot make that call. No-one can.
• Literally anything other than a checklist of reasons, events connected to these reasons and the evidence to back up the events.

You wish to end this, to stop going in circles and repeating points. What luck! So do I. We are in full agreement – a rare occasion. So lets cut the fat on this specific appeal. Give me all of your charges one final time. For the sake of this appeal, we will forget all other points raised so far, and focus on the points you raise, and only those points.

What I will say, is that I saw your post. You say I can be unbanned if I apologise. How very noble of you! I accept this deal. But first, I wish to know the demonstrable “harmful behaviour” you claim I caused. Once we know that behaviour, and you completely and utterly thrash me by exposing how my behaviour is harmful, I will be more than happy to fully apologise for any transgressions.

Once these reasons are presented, we can better discuss this issue. However, if this is not presented, or the events are not harmful, well then, how can I apologise? I would be lying, or making up an apology. No-one wants that. Apologies are means of redemption for past sins! If someone apologises, but does not mean it, have they truly learned? A false apology is worthless. So, I must first know why I am apologising, before I tske up your kind offer.

I am Sean “User #6” Roberts. I have been banned for 173 days, 13 hours and 32 minutes. I wish to be unbanned.

Hey Kizzy. Sorry for the late response, we didn’t rush it given that you said you are busy until Sunday. Before we begin, I’d like to address something in regards to your first message. “What I will say, is that I saw your post. You say I can be unbanned if I apologise. How very noble of you! I accept this deal.” The post says “We are not looking for an apology, just that you will not be breaking the rules again in the future.” The appeal is not intended to be an apology, rather an acknowledgment of why your actions were harmful to the subreddit.

At first, regarding the “Intent to alter our subreddit’s moderator appointment process”. It doesn’t matter what has happened in the past. The fact that Kairnezz’s event didn’t work out is not a justification for you preparing a similar event. Even more, if you’re aware it’s not going to work, you show that your only intention is to make an uproar in the community, i.e. cause drama.

As you already know, the major reason for your ban is drama. Causing and fueling drama. You’ve participated in multiple dramas in the past, and you’ve been working on another event (Fleshmonger) that we have reasons to believe would cause drama. That was the last straw.

We are no fortune-tellers, but your past behaviour, past dramas and everything that has been said about the Fleshmonger make it clear how would this event go. Everyone are free to discuss the ban ethics, but what you intended to do was much more than just that.

Starting with the past dramas. The ones you conceded to are POPGOES Drama and the KizzyLore Drama. But to repeat what has been said in regard of those, these were unnecessarily brought up to the subreddit and caused drama. Both the events were extremely blown out of proportion. They were extremely controversial and caused an uproar in the community, the evidence is in the context I provided below.

You say that you apologised and that’s good. We don’t imply that you intentionally wrote those to incite a drama either, but it did so in the process. We are glad how it ended, and you weren’t banned for it. The problem with these events is not that you did nothing to prevent the drama, but that those kind of events happens regularly. If somebody breaks the rules repeatedly, their apologies lose their power over time. So in short – you’re not banned for causing these events, but for the fact that after these apologies, you still keep causing similar events. That’s the reasoning behind this evidence of your ban.

POPGOES Drama (Context: 1 2)

KizzyLore Drama (Context: 3, 4 and 5)

With FreeBlue Campaign the situation is a bit different. It’s still a topic that was blown out of proportion. You say “it is just a colour. get over it.” in the appeal compilation post, but the initial point is that you yourself couldn’t get over a colour of your role and started spamming it on the Discord, and later started a huge campaign all around it. It got you banned on the Discord server. It was brought up multiple times: on Discord, on your website, and also on the subreddit.

Now, killing FreeBlue is not what we require of you. But the way it’s being used, how you brought it up on the subreddit, how you were banned because of it and how you explain it, it does look bad. Check the infographic you created that has been linked below. “People can say it’s petty, and they’re fucking right. But I am a guy of principle”. How can you ask us to “get over it” now, while you’re the one to get into the tiniest detail all the time? Your behaviour regarding the FreeBlue and some additional information (A B) proves that you do enjoy drama and will cause it over a slightest reasons (even if you contradict yourself later (C D) – image B has been pointed out in the very first ban message (E). If you feel wronged, fairly or not, you will piss people off, you will cause drama of the proportions of Free Blue. Even if you really were wronged, your behaviour will still cause drama.

FreeBlue Campaign (Context: 6, also link 5, although the whole event is way bigger than just this)

These are pretty much the worst, biggest dramas you participated in. They show you have a past in causing dramas, you do confirm that you support drama as long as you feel it’s just and your reasoning hasn’t changed much since then, even though you apologised for two out of three situations in here. Other events may be considered just as an example of similar behaviour which further shows your history of these type of events.

Context for the other events: 7 Dolls Drama, 8 BaseTown Drama. The articles on FNaFLore were removed.

In regards to Fleshmonger, there is the first description we’ve got from you regarding the event, soon before you were banned. 9 To make it clear – Fleshmonger is the reason why you were banned, the past dramas are the evidence of your continuous behaviour that causes us to believe you will proceed so in this event now, but they are not the main reason of your ban.

Instead of simply discussing the ban ethics, you were planning a huge event at the level of real-life elections. Even so, when explaining it, you keep telling that “it’s getting so big and I can’t stop it. It’s got too much momentum”, “it is insanity”, “end this madness”. Just by this message you’re threatening us of how big it will be, how we should fear Fleshmonger, how it will be out of control, you yourself are implying that it will become a drama that you won’t be able to control and we can stop it if we make the reforms. Basically, instead of a discussion, you want to create a strike against the moderation team. You are quite clear about that later on in the appeal compilation post too. 10

Furthermore, you keep saying that the event wasn’t discussed and that we can’t punish you for something you would do on your own platform. That’s true, and you are still free to work with it on FNaFLore. However, you didn’t just want to post the event onto the subreddit, you were preparing to push the campaign regardless, even if your posts removed 11. It may even be interpreted that the threads will be made without any ask of approval, because why would we take down the threads if the event is approved? There’s no reason to believe it would be a safe, civil, ban reform event.

Regarding all that has been said before about you pissing off people who wronged you, you don’t really care about anything you do, you are clear that you consider defamation okay, as long as it isn’t posted on the subreddit. 12

Also, the events that have happened after the ban does affect your ban, but as you said, you don’t want to discuss it just yet. The Fleshmonger Artwork Contest hosted on the subreddit you are banned on, public appeals for visibility, implying or hinting that people should spread your messages onto the subreddit and later outright asking for it, all of it is far from “I’m just defending myself”.

Hope that clears everything out. If you need to know anything more, feel free to ask.

Thought Process

So, I saw the ban process had been shortened, so I thought, well, lets get this show started early.

I once again ask, what evidence do they have for my ban? I dumb myself down in an attempt to look like I’m humbling myself – in quite a transparent way, I believe. Then I detail precisely what I want, and pre-reject non-arguments and buzzwords.

I point out the paradox that, they want an apology, but do not state what for. They need to give me something – anything – as a real reason for my ban.

I had things to do, so I left it for a while, as did they. But their reply was the best I received, to date.

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This is, by far, the best response I have had to date. However, being the best only meant that it was very easy to tear down.

Firstly, asserting I exhibited harmful behaviour? Demanding I acknowledge this behaviour? That is subjective to the extreme. I do not agree, so if that is required, we will never see eye to eye.

They mistake my intent with the Fleshmonger, then assert Drama yet again. But this time, they define them. Funny how when they do, they focus on the only 2 I accepted and apologised for, in an attempt to cease all drama. They dropped all the other cases, because they were clearly not credible.

They say I did not prevent the incidents, when both of them were cut down on the same day. It’s insane to say I didn’t attempt to prevent it being drama. But even so, to an extent, I did not expect either to blow up to that level.

They then go on to cite #FreeBlue. I do not consider this a credible drama, I consider it a meme in my Discord. I don’t give a single damn if they hate the meme. Cry some more. It is my meme. You find it offensive? I don’t care. If it’s offensive, ban it in your own gated community.

That it has become a symbol for anti-Freddit sentiment is not my doing, but that of the community whom wanted a symbol of dissent. It is not in my control. People who should have no interest in my personal half-hearted joke have no right to be interested, but as it’s a symbol of rebellion, take that as a rallying call.

Yes, I am petty for still keeping it up. Frankly, what does this matter to the mods? I only use it in my platform. Once again, I denounce Freddit mods having the fucking gall to believe they can moderate my community outright.

They cite The Dolls and the Basetown drama, both of which I have debunked again and again. Scott Cawthon himself started the whole Dolls drama by threatening to take down my site because I looked out for the wider games industry, not protection of a formula that cannot be protected. Further, I ended the Basetown drama. I wrote the article 1 or 2 days before the drama ended. It takes a magician to somehow believe I started a drama 2 weeks into the drama, and 2 days out from it’s end.

Once again, they cite the Fleshmonger. They cite my partially hyperbolic rhetoric, but this is because The Fleshmonger is, at it’s core, a consumer advocacy movement. As providers, the mods will feel attacked, but they must understand it’s policy getting attacked, not them. He is intended to make a discussion, not to strike the team.

They claim that the fact I initially intended to post it to Freddit is enough to get me banned. I’d argue, why? What would it have done?

They then misuse the term defamation, and claim the reasons after I am banned contribute to the ban. Frankly, I want to deal with the initial reasons first.

Finally, trying to construe that my publicising of my appeal is itself drama is not fair. I am a public figure, I need to ensure the community know I am banned. It is core to the interest of my community. This ban, no doubt, is of interest to many people. You yourself are one of those people.

Still, even with the amount of disagreements, this is by far the most comprehensive reply I have gained. Things look like they’re going in the right direction.

Hello Filip

Not a problem at all. It’s good to see a thorough account of my ban this time, as well as a cast iron unchanging reason. I shall treat this, as I said before, as the ultimate and final reasoning for my ban.

I see. Well, tomayto, tomarto I suppose. Saying “my actions were harmful” requires a demonstration that you know that you did wrong, as the actions are inherently bad for being harmful. Still, fair point, we’ll see where this goes. I apologise in advance for the length of my reply, but please do acknowledge, you’re going through the entire history of my conduct on Freddit and beyond in order to make this ban stick. A response to this will naturally be long.

Firstly, I cite Kairinezz’s case as an example of me knowing from the out that anything I did would not sway the appointment process. This does not mean I didn’t want to take a punt at the proper channel. I did not come into this expecting to change the process whatsoever, and trying to use that as a point is still, I believe, a very weak and inherently laughable reason. The fact I decided to parody it up to Trump levels is one of the inherent proofs that there was no way I intended to truly change your system. Only a madman would believe that pretending to be a Trump-like figure on camera as a homicidal killer chinchilla welder would ever lead to an inherent change of whichever appointment process is used.

Further, there is no specific appointment process I am aware of. Sometimes you decide to hire one of your own, sometimes you try to acquire what can be tentatively called “CVs”, and a few times, you tried to hire with the community, leading to a lot of bad blood and one very upset and now absent Doggo.

How I envisioned the campaign going is the admin application opens up, I send an entry for the Fleshmonger (which as you’ve seen is almost inadmissible), I run the campaign and we get a conversation about ban reform during this time, as well as some humorous art pieces of the mod team and the Fleshmonger. Hopefully, the application process this time is a poll, and if so, the Fleshmonger would ask users to vote. However, the candidate themself is also inherently laughable due to the presence of a VP, and trying to become elected as the president of Freddit.

The entire campaign is quite clearly not meant as a serious application to Freddit’s team or an attempt to subvert the application process (which seems to change from election to election), but more as something to strike a conversation over ban reform, with a slim to none chance he’d actually get in. If he did, I would presume I would become a normal moderator and get to have a hand in ban reform from the inside. On top of that, I made an actual attempt alongside the Fleshmonger, which was the serious attempt. It was a simple two-pronged approach. Apply like normal myself, while also swaying the conversation to ban reform with the Fleshmonger, alongside a more silly application, just for any giggles that he actually did get through proper channels.

I am aware the presented function of the campaign, to elect the Fleshmonger, will not be successful in of itself, as a public pressure campaign. Or, has a slim chance. That however does not mean it was the true function. The true function, as I have held throughout, was always to start a conversation on ban reform, and to get people to support it. That is what led to his creation, and it remains his prime goal to this day. That has been the sole point of the entire premise from the get-go. The intention at no point was to cause “drama”.

Drama is a nebulous term, so I would like to define it. Many definitions do not apply, but I will be as charitable as possible and pick 2 simultaneous definitions you may wish to adopt. The first, from the Collins Dictionary, is “You can refer to a real situation which is exciting or distressing as drama”. The second, from Oxford Dictionaries, is “Exaggerate the importance of (a minor problem or incident)”. I trust these are two succinct definitions you will agree to, in union or in part, when referring to drama. I would like us to keep this definition in mind going forward, unless you have any alternative views on the matter.

I am aware of the rough ban reason, yes. Thank you for finally clarifying the true and main reason for the ban, which contrary to previous statements, is finally revealed as the Fleshmonger event. Despite multiple comments that I was free to go ahead with it, this is the reason. But, I will put that aside for now. A reason is set in stone.

Once again, you try to predict my intent, which is wrong. Only I know my intent. Let me lay it out.

Following a conversation with Zach, he demonstrated he had no will to change the ban process of the Freddit Discord. So, with his refusal to step in, I pondered, how else can I help to sort out the Discord from my position as a banned user?

I have the need to fix it as people come to me, all the time, with their ridiculous ban reasons. I need to fix it, so these users stop having problems, and I stop getting constant messages about it. I cannot simply rest while my users are complaining, so I must act in their interests, or at least attempt to help with whatever I can do.

That is what a community leader does, you understand. If there were FNaFLore users complaining to Freddit constantly over our professional moderator conduct, I’d imagine you could be inclined to try to do the same, which would likely meet success if it were the will of the people and morally justifiable, because we would listen and be open to these complaints.

My intent was to take the scenario (Zach refuses to enact ban reform on Freddit’s Discord), and to find a solution that makes ban reform viable from an outsider view. What better than a campaign to promote ban reform? One with all the funny trappings of real elections, which will help it to become more relatable. Initially aimed at the discord and partially to Freddit, but due to this whole incident, also aimed at Freddit. The goal was solely based on changing ban reform policy, as Zach refused to impose ethical and fair ban reform on his team. That has always been the intention. If I got elected, I could push for this from the inside. If I did not, the conversation would at least be started from the campaign videos.

Now that is explained, let’s move past a few parts of the message that I will return to, and go to past dramas. I concede that both the Popgoes and Kizzylore events can be seen as distressing, and the former exaggerates the issue, mostly as I was wrongfully informed. The former was brought up with good faith, as Freddit is where you announce news for your projects. I had announced the entire fansite events throughout, which also led to Freddit-posted fanart. It was natural for me to post that, even in my ignorance of the proper situation, having been informed by Phisnom of a situation that did not exist.

You see, I accepted the Popgoes game before it was out, when my site strove for excellence in our picked games. This is why we have not added any Fuckboy, Rachael or TRTF content. These do not meet our standard for game and story quality, while Candy and Flumpty did. I needed a third, and Popgoes seemed to be going in that direction. So, I took it on. When I heard the story was bad, I freaked a little. We strove for excellence, yet because of my premature move, that standard was now in jeopardy, but I had done so much work on it already. So, I had to do something. In the end, thankfully, the story seems to be coherent and to acceptable levels of quality. But I was misled by someone internal to that team.

The second was blown out of proportion, but not particularly by me. I said something bad, yes. But being public figures, you understand that your actions are blown out of proportion when you do even the smallest of slip-ups. Even moreso if the game’s creator comments on it. The intent was to post that message to an individual comment, but due to the public interest, it got blown up by the community. This is not an excuse, but a demonstration that I intended that incident to be solely to one user whom commented. It was not acceptable. It is certainly not as bad as it could have been, but it is still not acceptable, and I disavow my prior statement. The only reason I have yet to delete it myself is for full transparency.

Now, I want to return to a quote of yours before those two games. “Causing and fuelling drama”. Here, I must demand a retraction in part. I see you mentioning I fuel drama. To fuel drama, I would allow and actively encourage this drama to fester. This is not what I did, as you admit. I apologised – and quite swiftly too. Even if these posts created drama, I was quick to put it out. I have not fuelled drama in regards to either of these posts, and would appreciate that the mod team recognise this as fact, and cease claiming I fuel drama. To date, I have done all I can to quell drama. I have never tried to fuel drama – which is the act of perpetuating and inflating the drama. This has not occurred. Ever.

That said, you go on to say these events happen regularly. So far, you have cited 2 issues. The Popgoes incident took place on the 12th of July, 2016. The Kizzylore incident took place on the 6th of November, 2017. That is a gap of 1 year and 4 months. Do you consider this a small enough gap for “regular” drama? I admit both of these are dramas, and I have laid out apologies for both. But if drama that is 16 months apart is considered regular, what hope does nearly anyone have to stay unbanned? Further, the campaign was planned for, at the earliest, January 2019. This is, if it were drama which I dispute, another 1 year and 2 months. Likely longer. Is this truly what you class as a regular occurrence of drama? Further, you say apologies lose weight over time. This implies the second apology has nearly no weight.

Humans are flawed. That I was able to, as a public figure, limit drama to just 2 incidents over the span of 2 years should be commended, not condemned. Further, you call these events similar to the Fleshmonger campaign. How? The Popgoes drama was over misinformation of the lore. There is no misinformation in the treatment of my users, as I demand screenshot evidence. The Kizzylore drama was over people pushing and pushing me from all angles, outside and internally of even my own moderator team. Here, this is not the case for the Fleshmonger. How are these dramas in any way related to the Fleshmonger campaign?

The FreeBlue campaign is no longer a real campaign. It is now an internal joke. The initial situation was blown out of proportion, but for – in my eyes – justified reason. My honest and forthright approach to civilly approach the mod team was overridden and denied by Popgoes having a literal, for lack of a better word, “bitch-fit” over the mods changing colours without his permission, as if his word was law. Indeed, I did spam blue a bit around the discord, but it was over the duration of a few hours, and that was it. I have been banned for 181 days, in addition to my time spent banned since. That was the 23rd of April, meaning my ban on Discord has been 1 year, 4 months and 9 days. For a single day of my protest, I think that’s more than enough, no? Especially since the original ban time was 1 week, and I have not returned since.

But since that time, I’ve openly said the campaign is over. Look for “still, perhaps for shits and giggles, I can come back next week and continue #FreeBlue. but at this point, that’s mostly over” in #srs-bsns. This is established from day 1. The campaign part of FreeBlue is over, the rest has been memes. What does FreeBlue even mean anymore? Though you can end it still, it’s over a thing that’s not even possible anymore. It’s purely a meme now.

Now, I’d like to know how it was bad. Bad for whom, and how? Regardless, you post this proof about how I like to piss people off. Again, this is over specific people whom were instrumental to the FreeBlue event, not the entire community. But even so, I do not feel you can use this as an argument. Many times, your team has used my blue for their own memes. This is a meme. I agree it is, your team also agree it is by their use of the meme. I felt wronged, and in that, I forged this as a meme. This meme is my meme, and it is also no longer in my control. Many users make this meme. Your team’s use of this meme demonstrate this fact. This meme has moved on from its initial drama, and has become its own thing. Much like the Streisand effect was initially distressing to a user, and now, it is a known and accepted term. FreeBlue is much like this. It is now a known and accepted meme.

Typically, I do not support drama. The Popgoes and Kizzylore thing, I defused as soon as I could. Freeblue is now no longer about the drama, and is its own meme. Further, I defused that by not returning of my own free will. I would argue I avoided any further proper drama by not going into the chat and again, not perpetuating the potential drama portion of the meme. This again goes back to your “Causing and fuelling drama” statement. I very much disagree with the latter accusation of fuelling drama. If anything, I’ve done all I can to defuse and avoid dramas.

We were doing so well in your appeal, but you leave yourself open for “more events”. I want everything on the table. Please present all of these events, not just a few.

For The Dolls, I stand by my comments. Scott taking down The Dolls is terrible precedent. If you recall, HE caused the drama by threatening to take down my site, even though he had no legal right to do so. If you are looking to ban someone over that drama, I suggest you look to /u/animdude. He clearly caused that drama with an initial intent to take down an entire fansite over a genuine concern that he disagreed with. I only relayed my concern for the wider game industry (which I feel takes far greater precident than one small franchise about scary bears), which was later vindicated by Game Theory doing a similar video much later concerning FNaF fangames. Do you even know why you are saying “The Dolls drama”? That drama was his doing. My concern was genuine and founded in facts. I would like the mod team to acknowledge this and cease using this as some sort of proof that I cause drama. It was not me. It was Scott.

For the Basetown drama, I took part with an article 2 days before he stood down after prolonged unrest. If anything, I helped to contribute to that drama’s end, as I chastised Justin and Wally for in my proper video. I recommend you rewatch that video at that point, as I lay out the proof that there were polls before on Basetown, met with resounding negativity from the wider community. Not only did I do this, but I gathered quotes from your very team, including a quote from you. You believed he had to stand down. You all did. I do not consider this a drama I caused. I consider this one that, if anything, I ended. My article did a service to the community. It ended drama, it did not cause or fuel it.

What I’d like to know, is how the Fleshmonger event – the pushing of moderator ethics – in any way relates to any prior drama, even by your definitions. Least of all how 2 incidents constitute “continuous behaviour”.

Concerning the first source of my Fleshmonger message to Invaderzz, a lot of that message is evidently satire and overblowing it. Tell me the name of a single politician or public figure who doesn’t do this. Hell, tell me the name of any FNaF Youtuber who doesn’t do this. Though I do not hold much power over my memes nowadays, it is not to a level of “oh god, help me”. That was hyperbole. I am also not going to appear on the American news to Make Freddit Great Again. Again, that’s part of the joke. Hell, I told you that I heard him in the back room as if I have a physical Fleshmonger chained up there. I will not confirm nor deny this, but it would be very silly if someone claimed that if they did not. I will leave it to your own judgement as to if I have a Fleshmonger chained up in my garage, or if I was playing it up for laughs.

But besides all of this, you cannot use the argument of “posting it on Freddit would have caused drama, so banned”. Even if we set all that aside, you had 9 months. Hell, you still have 4 months. To this day, not one of you has said “We disallow any Fleshmonger campaign posts. Bam. That’s it. Conflict over. Instead, without warning, we get this permaban that took 181 days to get a straight answer, and the answer is moot as not only has it not occurred, but there are multiple avenues to avoid a permaban and talk about it.

Instead, you took what I believe to be the more desired path of banning me, rather than the proper moderator path of resolving the situation. Instead, you prove the need for the Fleshmonger by instantly jumping to a permaban. This is the issue I was tackling on the Freddit Discord, and the one that Zach agreed was an issue. Further, my policies have backing. Not only from the sensible adults of the FNaF community, but the common people too. You saw that thread. You saw the comments it got before you lot decided to use the convenient excuse of 5 reports – despite no negative comments – to bury it. This is the proof that you try to use as evidence 10. I know I stand with the community here. You want to try to face off your ban reform post with mine? We can do this. Let’s go for it. Do a poll. See who wins out policy-wise.

That comment (11), as per its start, was done in jest. Hell, merely 3 comments down, I say you’ll be scared of my VP as they “will give us the swing states of Freddit”. I would still say, having the character of the Fleshmonger is not a bannable offence if paired with FNaF content. But if the campaign were banned, I would not endorse people posting the threads on Freddit. The art, no issues, as it’s not the campaign posts. But further to that, what part of that implies it is an unsafe and uncivil event? We’re not going to start doxxing people and swearing users down if the threads were banned. The event’s purpose was clear, and still is.

I’d say the comment is not only one hell of a stretch, but also, I’d no longer consider it defamation as per his insulted reaction to the aforementioned Manly incident – clearly, assuming otherwise is offensive. I think at this point in the appeal, he would probably appreciate that animation. But that aside, do tell me how an animation of Invaderzz being screwed by Popgoes and Jdal is “A false and unprivileged statement of fact that is harmful to someone’s reputation, and published “with fault,” meaning as a result of negligence or malice”, as per the definition of defamation.

I think what you’re looking for is either Satire, Parody or a Caricature, all of which I welcome to myself or to anyone I may know. Further, it is fully allowed. I don’t wish to harp on the Trump train, but It has happened in real life, and no-one is being sued, as it is protected speech. I do not condone defamation, which is as said before, a false statement of fact that is aimed to defame. Please show me where I have exhibited any sort of defamation, and I will happily retract it and apologise in full. I believe as of yet, anything I have said even close to that nature has been in my opinion fully, and not fact. Anything I claim as fact, I have evidence for. I have defamed no-one.

I will not comment on future issues. These first, then we can discuss other issues. But I will say, I am a public figure. Do you expect me to see others comment on my ban, and not relay a full and concise statement, rundown and commentary with proof? This is part and parcel of being a public figure in a community. This is what I have to do, as you had to do multiple times. I openly tell people, spread this in your circles because I am a public figure of the FNaF community, and as such I have a duty to let users know what’s going on about my ban. This may include asking people to correct users on my behalf, or to explain to them my ban proper, before they think I just left. This is necessary.

I don’t want to turn out how Doggo did, people lying saying “the mod team didn’t do nothing” to him leaving, when I know full well that the brewing issues of the disrespect from the mod team tipped him off the edge, leading him down a road I am not at liberty to describe to you, besides the fact that he is fine. A comment that in the very recent past was evidently for good reason. As a public figure, I need my reason to be known. I need users to know why not only am I banned, but they can be banned for even saying my name nowadays. I reject any sort of insinuation that my public defence of my public ban as a public figure who is being publicly talked about on Reddit is anything that you can use against me. That is not how this works. The prosecution cannot use the existence of the defence as a reason to convict. That road leads to insanity.

To summarise, you say I need to, essentially, recognise the harm my Fleshmonger campaign would have done to the community. As of yet, I cannot recognise any harm it has done, nor recognise any harm it will do. We can talk about later events at a later date, such as the art contest. But as of yet, I still do not see what harm has or would be caused by the campaign.

Tell me, what harm has it done, or will it do? You quite clearly expect an acknowledgement that the campaign would do harm in one of potentially many specific ways. This implies you know the answer to such an issue already. You know what harm it would do already, and wish for me to repeat what harm it will cause, which you already know, because you expect me to apologise for it. Perhaps a set of charges specific to the Fleshmonger campaign would do well, as you’re expecting me to acknowledge it would harm the community. Perhaps a good starting point would be, instead of making me divine the harm it would cause, telling me “We banned it because we know it will harm the community in X Y Z ways, which we want to be acknowledged”? That may be the better bedrock to start this conversation from. I am no child. Withholding the answer from me so I can learn from my mistake is not productive here. What is productive is laying out the answer, and asking for acknowledgement of the answer as harmful.

I am Sean “User #6” “Kizzycocoa” Roberts. I have been banned for 189 days, 21 hours and 53 minutes. I wish to be unbanned.

Hi Kizzy,

Here’s our response. I will start by addressing the main reason of your ban.

Thank you for finally clarifying the true and main reason for the ban, which contrary to previous statements, is finally revealed as the Fleshmonger event.

The Fleshmonger was the catalyst that lead to your ban, but you would not have been banned for the Fleshmonger if you hadn’t had a 2 year history of drama before that. Additionally, you would have been unbanned if you had simply submitted a normal ban appeal and acknowledged why your actions weren’t allowed on the subreddit.

Once again, you try to predict my intent, which is wrong. Only I know my intent. Let me lay it out.

Assuming that your intent was simply to change policy, with no desire at all to stir up users: Regardless of the intent, we believe your actions were/are a problem for the subreddit. Even after we’ve stated that we believe your behavior is an issue, you have not acknowledged it or attempted to behave differently. Even if you did not intend certain situations to cause drama, they did. Multiple times. Even if you are repeatedly causing dramas unintentionally, that still shows a problem with your behavior, as clearly the way you’re acting leads to these dramas.

I have never tried to fuel drama – which is the act of perpetuating and inflating the drama. This has not occurred. Ever.

Perhaps you don’t believe you’ve done so, however our mod team does.

So far, you have cited 2 issues.

In the response to you above, we cited 6 issues.

FreeBlue

You say it no longer matters because it’s a “meme”, but when it happened, it was very real and caused unnecessary drama. Additionally, regarding your “I like to piss people off comment”. If you admit that you enjoy pissing off a select few people, we have reason to believe you enjoy pissing off other people as well.

Dolls and BaseTown

In both of these situations, you took things that people were talking about, and attempted to fan the flames of drama by writing articles/posts about them. Whatever your reasons, this caused an uproar. You pushed the drama and helped enrage the community to the point where BaseTown was forced to concede. While the Dolls drama didn’t cause as much drama as some of the others, the issue is the same. You created an article to get people riled up about something.

What I’d like to know, is how the Fleshmonger event – the pushing of moderator ethics – in any way relates to any prior drama, even by your definitions.

The Fleshmonger campaign was seemingly intended to cause unnecessary drama about something you felt was important. Based on your history, it’s pretty clear how this event would have turned out. Perhaps it was meant to be “for fun” but elections by their very nature are intended to incite crowds, to win using big and dramatic ways that rile people up. We don’t need to be able to see the future in order to accurately predict how an event like this would turn out. And, similarly to the BaseTown drama, we believe it would continue to be pushed by those who believe it until their demands are fulfilled, regardless of if we or other users believe otherwise.

I know I stand with the community here. You want to try to face off your ban reform post with mine? We can do this. Let’s go for it. Do a poll. See who wins out policy-wise.

Please refer to the post we made about our ban policy where users were free to comment and leave feedback about our ban policy. We find this to be much more effective than a poll. Note that the response to our ban policy is overwhelmingly positive. We welcomed dissenting opinions and did not remove any.

But further to that, what part of that implies it is an unsafe and uncivil event? (Regarding Fleshmonger)

We never said that it is “unsafe and uncivil”. It would have created needless controversy and drama that has no place on the subreddit.

I’d no longer consider it defamation as per his insulted reaction to the aforementioned Manly incident

If I recall correctly, I never actually commented on being offended by what you said, so I’m not sure why you keep bringing it up. We included it to point out how you’re making jokes at the moderators’ expense, and it was a single comment in a larger assortment so singling it out seems unnecessary and removes the context it was presented in.

tell me how an animation of Invaderzz being screwed by Popgoes and Jdal is “A false and unprivileged statement of fact that is harmful to someone’s reputation, and published “with fault,” meaning as a result of negligence or malice”, as per the definition of defamation.

Clearly something like without permission of the users involved would be extremely disrespectful and meant as an attack on the users involved regardless of whether or not it fits the dictionary definition of defamation.

they can be banned for even saying my name nowadays

This has not happened. It is simply untrue.

Tell me, what harm has it done, or will it do?

This was answered above, but the answer is that we believe it would cause drama.

In order to be unbanned, we would like an acknowledgement that what you did and how you’ve behaved isn’t allowed. Additionally, we’d also like a statement from you that you will be making efforts to change your behavior, and we’d like to see you make a commitment to that statement after your ban is removed.

As subreddit moderators, it is our job to make decisions about what we feel is and isn’t harmful to the subreddit and its users. We believe that your actions and behavior (listed above) are harmful to the subreddit. You do not believe they are harmful. That is fine; you’re free to disagree with our decisions, as is anyone. However, if you wish to be unbanned from our subreddit, you must acknowledge that your behavior is not allowed and strive to behave differently. These are the terms we have given you if you wish to be unbanned.

Thought Process

I need to ensure this is the final final reason. If it is, I can deal with this. So, I keep trying to reinforce this. Sadly, it is usually ignored. Reason means nothing when it comes to unjust bans.

I once again reassert, I cannot apologise for my guilt, if I do not think I have guilt. This locks me out of an apology until they explain the behaviour, demanding they explain themselves. This is something I do to drag out the proper reply I expect.

I fully explain the campaign, and then I try to get Buzzek to define drama. They use it at a catch-all, but I want to know specifically what they are calling drama. I Try to be as accommodative as possible, but while writing the proposed definition, I knew it was a goodwill step that would not be reciprocated.

Further comments to cement the reasoning, before I systematically take apart the argument for the Fleshmonger being banned. This included yet another full campaign explanation, my motives and my potential future actions.

I concede the Popgoes and Kizzylore events again. I have fully apologised, I was in the wrong, though I explain just why I acted as I did. But I denounce the accusation of causing and fuelling drama, as well as their attempts to draw 2 events out over 2 years, and attempt to disconnect the events from the campaign – of which, neither were ever connected.

I then go on to denounce the other nonsense “dramas”, and point out, no drama was posted to Freddit. This is purely a ben because they dislike and fear me.

Once again, I ask them to specify the precise harm the Fleshmonger event will done. overall, just, echoing past points they’ve decided to overlook.

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Hello Zach, nice to see you again after so long. I almost missed you.

The Fleshmonger was the catalyst that lead to your ban, but you would not have been banned for the Fleshmonger if you hadn’t had a 2 year history of drama before that. Additionally, you would have been unbanned if you had simply submitted a normal ban appeal and acknowledged why your actions weren’t allowed on the subreddit.

Oh no, we were being blunt before, lets not make it hazy. the Fleshmonger campaign IS the reason for the ban. we just got a nice and tidy target, lets not dilute it. Even so, here’s where we fundamentally disagree. What part of the campaign wasn’t allowed? What part was harmful? This seems to be the core of our differing opinions.

Assuming that your intent was simply to change policy, with no desire at all to stir up users: Regardless of the intent, we believe your actions were/are a problem for the subreddit. Even after we’ve stated that we believe your behavior is an issue, you have not acknowledged it or attempted to behave differently. Even if you did not intend certain situations to cause drama, they did. Multiple times. Even if you are repeatedly causing dramas unintentionally, that still shows a problem with your behavior, as clearly the way you’re acting leads to these dramas.

Perhaps you don’t believe you’ve done so, however our mod team does.

You say I repeatedly cause drama, but as of yet, only 2 real dramas have been presented. Again, what drama have I fuelled? What drama have I intentionally caused? Which gets to your six dramas you claim to cite. I want to first split them up on my end.

Freeblue – Is a meme. The drama is some people dislike the meme. People dislike memes all the time. This is not drama. The mod team even use the meme.

The Dolls – Was a genuine concern, with drama only being caused by Scott trying to shut down my site.

Basetown – As you later say, the article pushed Basetown to concede. you admit I ended that drama and stand-off between Basetown and the community

The Fleshmonger campaign – Not a drama. A campaign to change ban reform based on an established character in the FNaFLore canon whom was a perfect fit for the campaign.

These 4 dramas I contend, for reasons I lay out to the side.

The Popgoes drama – I got intel from the programmer that the story changed. I acted before I talked to Popgoes. This is on me, and I quickly corrected and apologised for this, ending the drama quickly.

The Kizzylore incident – A group of people wound me up and got one of my moderators to embarrass the Discord. I talked out of turn, and apologised for it fully, ending the drama.

These, I contend are real dramas, for reasons stated.

But, you go into these further. So, I’ll comment on the three you cite.

FreeBlue

You say it no longer matters because it’s a “meme”, but when it happened, it was very real and caused unnecessary drama. Additionally, regarding your “I like to piss people off comment”. If you admit that you enjoy pissing off a select few people, we have reason to believe you enjoy pissing off other people as well.

Oh yes, for that one single day, it mattered. For that period of 24 hours, it was certainly drama. That much I can concede, and hell, even apologise for. It does not mean that I think the moderators were right either, as they caved to a non-mod over a role that they should have had no control over. I politely approached those mods Zach, but Kane did not. You know this as fact. Yet I was kicked for my behaviour, and he was not. The whole point was to show the disparity at play, which was completely demonstrated. Most of what I did wasn’t even rule-breaking. But, I can concede that for that one day, it did cause drama. Beyond that, it has been my meme entirely, and as the mods themselves have indulged in it, I claim that there is no further argument over this. Further, the punishment for that initial drama was a 1 week ban. I think that has passed by now, don’t you?

Dolls and BaseTown

In both of these situations, you took things that people were talking about, and attempted to fan the flames of drama by writing articles/posts about them. Whatever your reasons, this caused an uproar. You pushed the drama and helped enrage the community to the point where BaseTown was forced to concede. While the Dolls drama didn’t cause as much drama as some of the others, the issue is the same. You created an article to get people riled up about something.

Let us go over these one by one, rather than trying to tie these up together. With The Dolls, I wrote up a piece on how I disagreed with Scott’s decision to try to take down the game, as I felt it was original enough to exist. This piece was written for the greater games industry. I hold no regret for my position, especially as I was later vindicated by The Game Theory episode targetting the exact same issue. The bulk of the drama was caused by Scott threatening to take down the site as he disagreed with my opinion. I claim that if you cite this as drama, cite the big bullying side of the argument whom wanted to squash a dissenting user, rather than the morally concerned user whose interest laid with the greater games community.

Concerning Basetown, thank you. You yourself have finally contradicted your entire case.

You pushed the drama and helped enrage the community to the point where BaseTown was forced to concede.

So what you mean to say, is my article – which bear in mind, occurred WAY AFTER THE DISCONTENT STARTED – was the driving force to ending that drama.

You just conceded that.

You said that, not me.

Your words.

Yours.

This means my article was the driving force ENDING the drama. This is your stance.

Your position. You said it.

Case closed. I ended that drama. I did not fuel it. I did not start it. My article did the legwork to end the drama by holding Basetown accountable to the community. If it wasn’t off the table before, it is now. You have admitted my article ended what was the most rabid drama on Freddit to date. Thank you. It must have been hard to admit this, but thank you Zach. You are welcome. Your entire team is fucking welcome. No need to thank me. The satisfaction of knowing a job was well done is all I need, and indeed, all I will cite in the ongoing future on this matter and reasoning. I am the reason the Basetown drama ended. Good to know. I’ll hold onto that and frame your comment on my wall.

The Fleshmonger campaign was seemingly intended to cause unnecessary drama about something you felt was important. Based on your history, it’s pretty clear how this event would have turned out. Perhaps it was meant to be “for fun” but elections by their very nature are intended to incite crowds, to win using big and dramatic ways that rile people up. We don’t need to be able to see the future in order to accurately predict how an event like this would turn out. And, similarly to the BaseTown drama, we believe it would continue to be pushed by those who believe it until their demands are fulfilled, regardless of if we or other users believe otherwise.

Firstly, lets not start comparing this to Basetown, for your own sake. If the argument is the campaign will succeed very quickly like the Basetown incident, then you’ve no leg to stand on. For your own sake, throw that argument out. It won’t go well.

Secondly, I feel you’re misapplying drama, and perhaps over-stretching it’s definition. The campaign was intended to get people talking, yes. Is that not the point of all posts on Reddit? To get feedback, attention, karma and comments? Secondly, this was no real election. I point you to the FUKP comedy skits. They were in the same style, and yet cause no drama, just laughs and deeper thought into policies. That was my intention, and there is a large amount of evidence I can point to in real life that show similar initiatives. Hell, The Onion even did a similar sort of thing. All my evidence points to this only causing a few laughs and more thought into ban reform.

But finally, unnecessary? you banned GBAura over a complaint she sincerely held. You banned Stu over a claim to beat 50/20 mode. You ban people over jokes. You ban people because the community aren’t fond of them. This campaign is absolutely necessary. The banning has gone off the deep end. It needs to be reeled in, to the point where I’m seriously considering launching a Watchdog service, the Freddit Accountability Project (FAP for short), to continue to fully document these violations of moderator ethics. The groundwork for it is already being laid.

Please refer to the post we made about our ban policy where users were free to comment and leave feedback about our ban policy. We find this to be much more effective than a poll. Note that the response to our ban policy is overwhelmingly positive. We welcomed dissenting opinions and did not remove any.

I said a contest, not a proclamation of current rules. Still, I saw that post. I can only read it as a fearful reaction to the changes I’ve made on my site. Progress. All I need to do is pull away the veneer you gave it of professional sincerity. I mean, it all sounds good to eat chicken nuggets at McDonalds too, but then you go down the chain to see how they are made, and suddenly you lose your appetite for chicken nuggets.

Even so, the issue is your rules are subjective, not objective. Even with the definition I made, you can’t tell what part of my campaign would cause anything resembling drama. It seems, to you, any attempt to push for ban reform will be drama. Any attempt to garner support for a cause is drama. Any post that wants community attention is drama. Any post that goes against Scott for the greater good of the industry is drama.

This is the inherent issue here. Your definition of drama, and your handling of punishments, go too far. I mean, we’re a half year into this, all for a campaign that hasn’t even happened, and won’t for at least 3 more months. For whatever piddling drama you expect it to garner, are you really saying a half year before anything like that even occurs is justifiable? If the answer is anything but a no, then you are the problem I am seeking to root out, and of course, the cancer shrivels away from the cure.

If I recall correctly, I never actually commented on being offended by what you said, so I’m not sure why you keep bringing it up. We included it to point out how you’re making jokes at the moderators’ expense, and it was a single comment in a larger assortment so singling it out seems unnecessary and removes the context it was presented in.

It was included in a list of insults. The quote was added. The implication is me saying you aren’t manly enough to take a dick is that you contest you are manly enough to take a dick, and therefore, you do take dick. A blind man can see that connection. You keep saying it’s a single comment out of X, but don’t forget the other two which were dismissed, or the other “it was one time” answers you’ve given in this appeal.

You cannot dismiss any sort of critique or humour because “it was just one time, bro”. That’s not how this works. no, DO remember it, because the mods used that as evidence. They used the Decoder drama as evidence. They tried to use schoolwork to get out of one of the appeals. They even try to justify Colatiel personally attacking the head mod because it was “one time”. No, DO remember them. one time or not, these are important, and unless they are fully addressed or apologised for, they continue to be important.

Also, you have absolutely no right to claim no context. I’ve given all the context possible, while your team has clearly scoured my Discord for insults, only coming up with maybe 2 valid ones, and the rest, critique or jokes. Then stripping them of context and hoping that I wouldn’t notice. The context game is not going in your favour here. Especially when I’ve given full context of all of this on my own site, in a very user-friendly and fair way.

Clearly something like without permission of the users involved would be extremely disrespectful and meant as an attack on the users involved regardless of whether or not it fits the dictionary definition of defamation.

Disrespectful? possibly. But if I want to doodle it, I can. As I said before, this isn’t even new. Is this disrespectful? What about this? And as I said before, what of the balloons flown over London in the shape of world leaders, or the burning of your American flag? I thought, over your end, freedom of speech was a thing you defended to death. Is this not the case? In any case, these things are allowed. Fair use, free speech etc. allows me to do this in my own time. Tell me you would ban outside of the rules if people did R34 of you, like they did with Scott. Tell me that you’d disregard freedom of speech to ban a user who drew these. That personal opinions are actionable as moderators. Let me have that quote too, I’ll frame it next to the Basetown message.

This has not happened. It is simply untrue.

Many people have had threads deleted with my name, and if your plan for Popgoes mirrors mine in any way, this will be the natural conclusion.

This was answered above, but the answer is that we believe it would cause drama.

W H Y. You cannot just assert this, you must have a logical start-to-end. What part will cause what drama in what way? Hell, it’s often courteous to actually have caused drama, before being banned for over half a year due to it.

In order to be unbanned, we would like an acknowledgement that what you did and how you’ve behaved isn’t allowed. Additionally, we’d also like a statement from you that you will be making efforts to change your behavior, and we’d like to see you make a commitment to that statement after your ban is removed.

How is it not? Even if we concede all of this, what part of the rules disallow this? What about things like Momerator’s drawing of that little girl? That caused drama, will we permaban her over that? What of a new Popgoes announcement? That certainly would cause drama, Kane needs to be blocked just in case. Perhaps we should ban Scott, whom has been cockblocking the entire community for over a year now on major lore points. He’s the drama king, surely he should go to? Define drama. Define what effects you wish to stop of drama.

You claim it causes drama. This must mean you have a path to drama. The campaign is posted, then a series of events occur, and that leads to drama. This implies you know what the series of events are, especially if you’re so brazen as to ban me for over a half year. You must be super confident in this series of events.

What are they.

As subreddit moderators, it is our job to make decisions about what we feel is and isn’t harmful to the subreddit and its users. We believe that your actions and behavior (listed above) are harmful to the subreddit. You do not believe they are harmful. That is fine; you’re free to disagree with our decisions, as is anyone. However, if you wish to be unbanned from our subreddit, you must acknowledge that your behavior is not allowed and strive to behave differently. These are the terms we have given you if you wish to be unbanned.

If I may be blunt, when did I take drama to the subreddit? When did I make a big post about FreeBlue? When did I incite drama, rather than quell or end it? I feel I’ve done quite well in accommodating such behaviour without even being asked. Even so, do you really feel it’s prudent to ban someone over behaviour that takes 5+ months to eke out of the team, without any sort of warning? Without even attempting to lay out what is and is not allowed?

Once again, your behaviour necessitates my existence, the existence of the Fleshmonger campaign and of the FAP initiative. I have already conceded, fucking sure, I won’t post it to Freddit. I have said this multiple times. That’s not enough for you. You want it to not happen at all, which is not acceptable. I have the freedom to run a campaign for ban reform, even if not on the platform itself. That is my right. Out of protest for your controlling my activities outside of the subreddit, he will go ahead regardless, unless change is made. I won’t be told what I can and can’t do in my free time. You do not have that authority.

You’re fucking subreddit mods, with most of you still in school. Where do you get off on telling people what they can and can’t do in their personal free time on platforms outside of yours? You have no right.

Once again I ask, what specific part of the campaign do you want me to apologise for, and how do you see it being harmful to the community? What are the events between cause and effect? How does a satirical presidential campaign emphasising the value of ban reform lead to drama on the subreddit? What aspect will do this?

–Sean “User #6” “Kizzycocoa” Roberts

Hi Kizzy, after discussing your message the moderator team feels your questions have already been answered multiple times before. Additionally, we feel you misunderstood what we said about BaseTown- our point was that your actions forced him to concede by fueling the drama and making it even bigger.

We would suggest rereading our past messages if you’re still confused about your ban. We have given you our terms to be unbanned, and you have not accepted them. As such, you will not be unbanned, and this appeal is over.

We can not guarantee a response to further messages from you about your initial ban as we feel this discussion is only going in circles and that our previous messages and explanations have been sufficient. As a reminder, let us know if you accept the terms we laid out.

Take care.

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Hello Zach

Well, we’ve only just got an answer now – the Fleshmonger campaign. This is not inherently a rulebreak, or indeed, a drama point. What needs to be demonstrated is what part of this campaign you feel will cause drama. RE the Basetown thing, I summarised and collected the information. I held him to the mark, and ensured that the current issues weren’t buried, as Reddit buries threads. Regardless, you’ve essentially said I ended that drama. What would have happened if I took no action? By your own reasoning, Basetown would not have left/conceded, and as such, the drama would continue for possibly months. So I took steps to end the drama.

I feel this discussion has only just gone on track. 6 months from the ban, we finally have a solid reason, or at least, a base. Now, I need to know what segment of that reason you take issue with, and demonstrate how it would cause drama.

To accept your terms, I need to acknowledge the harm any of my actions would cause. I am unaware of any harm my Fleshmonger campaign would bring. I cannot apologise until this link of harm and the campaign is established, or else I would be giving a false testimony.

I am a man of honour, and I cannot accept terms which I cannot fulfil. I require more information before I can apologise. We’ve actually made some headway in isolating the incident the team has issues with. all that’s left is to demonstrate what part of that campaign breaks the rules, or would cause harm.

I am Sean “User #6” “Kizzycocoa” Roberts. I have been banned for 194 days, 19 hours and 20 minutes . I wish to know what rules the Fleshmonger campaign would break or how it would cause harm. Failing that, I wish to be unbanned.

As it was mentioned in the last message, we believe that your questions were already answered. We believe Fleshmonger will cause drama because of the nature of your campaign, your past behaviour/dramas that you caused and you participated in and your own comments regarding this and the past dramas. Everything has already been said and if you are still confused, reread our past messages.

Your comments regarding the BaseTown drama proves even more how much you are willing to cause drama to push your points. As we said – you have fueled this drama, it became so big that BaseTown had to concede. Now, imagine an alternate scenario, where BaseTown did not concede. If he didn’t, an overgrown drama would keep going on the subreddit, thanks to your article. You have fueled an already existing drama, and BaseTown was the one who has ended it. Your article alone was harmful and not helpful to the case.

If you want to support your point, saying that everything was okay with this event, you convince us even further how the Fleshmonger campaign will go. And you’ve already said you don’t mind causing drama for the cause in the article on FNaFLore, as I’ve already pointed out in my last message. It was numbered Image 10. You will do it if you believe it’s for a good cause, you will ignite the crowds against the moderation team to push your points because you believe your point is just, and we aren’t going to allow it.

There is nothing more to discuss given that these appeals go in circles for over half of the year. We’ve been clear that Fleshmonger along with the past dramas you participated in was the ban reason (the very first response after the ban) but you feel like we’re just establishing something only recently. There’s no progress done and we are not going to repeat our points over and over again. As it was already mentioned, we’re done discussing your initial ban and again – this appeal is over.

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Hello Filip.

As it was mentioned in the last message, we believe that your questions were already answered. We believe Fleshmonger will cause drama because of the nature of your campaign, your past behaviour/dramas that you caused and you participated in and your own comments regarding this and the past dramas. Everything has already been said and if you are still confused, reread our past messages.

Once again, it’s not up to me to incriminate myself. you are as of right now banning me based on something that has not occurred, due to speculation that cannot be backed up over reforms that as of this appeal, GBAura’s situation, Stu’s situation, Subwoofer’s situation, Melon’s situation etc. etc. is absolutely necessary and vital. I’d say the onus of telling me what I should feel bad for rests strongly on your shoulders, and for continuing my ban for so long, that proof presented had better be incontrovertible.

I mean, fuck me, you’re getting GBAura to try to apologise for bringing up concerns over CP. Do you know what massive fucking cunts you seem to be right now? How as of right now, a group of people – myself included – absolutely believe this team needs to be gutted completely, burnt to the ground and rebuilt properly? You are literally trying to tell someone “Your genuine concerns over one of our moderators was out of line. apologise and in future, don’t you dare report any concerns regarding the safety of the Freddit community”. Try to claim it was fuelled by spite all you want, but I have seen the full logs. No matter her intent or language, it is clear she believed this was going on. She KNEW it was CP, even if we both may agree it was not. All messages confirm this. Her concern was genuine. Yet your team have the gall to try to strong-arm her to apologise, all the while claiming I am the monster? Where do you get off on being so unethical? To force people to apologise for wrongs you perceive but won’t even explain to people? When did you become fucking schoolteachers, trying to get the naughty children to tell their parents what they did during recess?

Do you even see yourselves as the spineless cowards you are in that situation with GBAura? Can you not even see, in this situation, you are the villains? Are you really so far gone that not a single one of you can see that what you’re doing with her is fucking disgusting? Do not one of you feel a tiny shred of shame from whatever fucking humanity you’ve yet to carve out of your blackened, rotting chests? THIS COULD BE SOMEONE WHO SEES GENUINE FUCKING PAEDOPHILIA LATER IN YOUR TEAM – A TEAM THAT IS TRUSTED WITH CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS – AND WON’T REPORT IT BECAUSE YOU CHUCKLEFUCKS DECIDED TO INTIMIDATE AND SHAME HER OVER A GENUINE CONCERN SHE HAD. Can you really not see how bad you look?!?! Are you really that blind, prideful and arrogant?!?! And is there any fucking wonder why I want ban reform?

Here’s what you do. “oh, there is a concern. lets investigate….nope! nothing. ok, tell them we don’t believe it’s an issue. What, they seemed malicious? Well, so long as they aren’t spreading lies and slander, then that’s fine. It’s good to check, just in case.” It is that simple. It is so, so simple. Yet instead, you try to shame her. And you wonder why I started my campaign. This is why. Bullshit like this. Bullshit that has tarnished Freddit itself, not just it’s Discord.

That is what I see, and you can be sure as hell, when I set up my FAP, it will be precisely what everyone else will see.

Your comments regarding the BaseTown drama proves even more how much you are willing to cause drama to push your points. As we said – you have fueled this drama, it became so big that BaseTown had to concede. Now, imagine an alternate scenario, where BaseTown did not concede. If he didn’t, an overgrown drama would keep going on the subreddit, thanks to your article. You have fuelled an already existing drama, and BaseTown was the one who has ended it. Your article alone was harmful and not helpful to the case.

Yet picture I did nothing. The drama would continue once again. You want to ban based on what-ifs? What if I didn’t bother to help you with Decoder. What if I didn’t try to fight for those wrongfully banned by your ilk? What if I didn’t step in to try to help you with the MemeMachine incidents – ensuring each moderator’s account was safe by giving you access to my login, which I had to pay actual money for? What if you took my advice and tried to be fair to Doggo? What if Basetown didn’t harass ToyChica and LiesLikeLavender, by their own accounts?

We can play the what if game for a long time, and it won’t end well. I have significantly less skeletons in my closet to be what-ifed. Further, you all were with us on this. You all wanted Basetown to step by – I should know, I have the chatlogs. I nicked quotes from that for the article. I only put my article up when your attempts to convince him to step down failed.

If you want to support your point, saying that everything was okay with this event, you convince us even further how the Fleshmonger campaign will go. And you’ve already said you don’t mind causing drama for the cause in the article on FNaFLore, as I’ve already pointed out in my last message. It was numbered Image 10. You will do it if you believe it’s for a good cause, you will ignite the crowds against the moderation team to push your points because you believe your point is just, and we aren’t going to allow it.

How can you even comment on the campaign, without a proper understanding of it? You talk as if the event was established, yet it has not even arrived. Further, you seem to be banning me over the event taking place full stop. Even if I don’t post it to Freddit, you seem to believe this ban is justified. What reasoning do you use to justify banning someone over something that may not even be posted to Freddit? Further, what sort of rebellion do you think is going to happen. By perpetuating this nonsensical ban over 6 months, you’ve done more to sully your own names than I ever could. With every set of replies, I get another golden gem that turns your team into a laughing stock. This is pure insanity of your own making, and you don’t even seem to be able to understand that it’s not me making you look bad at this point, it’s your team.

There is nothing more to discuss given that these appeals go in circles for over half of the year. We’ve been clear that Fleshmonger along with the past dramas you participated in was the ban reason (the very first response after the ban) but you feel like we’re just establishing something only recently. There’s no progress done and we are not going to repeat our points over and over again. As it was already mentioned, we’re done discussing your initial ban and again – this appeal is over.

May I remind you of all of the other reasons you gave me to contribute to this. Subverting the election process. Violating rule 9. “repeatedly causing or fuelling drama is the main cause of your ban”. The Decoder drama in which I stopped the team form having both a puppet and a leaker for a moderator. The Dolls drama. FreeBlue.

Do you not see why finally pinning it to one reason is not a big improvement here? This IS the established reason now. Progress HAS been made. We have narrowed it down from the entirety of my 2 1/2 year tenure of Freddit – a wide range of reasons you tried to pin onto my ban – to just a single event. Progress has been made.

But again, how can I be expected to apologise or recognise harm in a campaign that I believe will cause no harm? You cannot even name the harm or rulebreak it would do, even if it were posted to Freddit. But even if it were just on FNaFLore, what right do you have to action any sort of ban? What makes you think my actions on my server with my campaign are of any concern to you?

I am Sean “User #6” “Kizzycocoa” Roberts. I have been banned for 6 months, 15 days, 21 hours and 37 minutes. I wish to be unbanned, or to have the specific reasoning and rulebreaks explained to me so I can recognise any harm I have or would have done. This harm or rulebreak has not yet been established. It is all wild speculation based on incidents that have no relation to the Fleshmonger campaign.

Hi Kizzy, as we stated in our previous message, your ban appeal is over. Please feel free to send another appeal in 14 days.

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Hello Zach

Ok, sure. Fine. No appeal talk, whatever, I expected that a mile away. However, you often say, if you want to hear about X case, contact the mods. So, let’s have a talk then, because of all I’ve talked about, I really want to talk about that case.

What the hell are you lot playing at with GBAura? How on earth can you justify forcing her to apologise? What possible charge are you holding against her, and do you even consider that with this action ,you’re fostering an environment where people can’t report issues to you for fear of getting banned?

You often say we can ask about other bans, so sure. End of appeal, let’s talk about GBAura now. You say about my case, want more details, talk to the mods. I invoke that for GBAura. I want you to justify yourselves.

–Sean “User #6” “Kizzycocoa” Roberts

Sure thing.

GBaura will be unbanned if she acknowledges that the behavior that lead to her ban is not allowed (again, we are not asking for an apology)

GB was first banned about a year ago. A month after her ban, she sent an appeal. We unbanned her under the condition that she would change her behavior, which at the time included spamming the mod team with messages and stirring up controversy.

I’ll also say that GBaura was not banned for coming to us with her concerns. We did however feel that the ban was necessary when we found out she had been spreading the rumors about Cola to her friends a week before she contacted us.

We don’t believe she did this maliciously though, so if she acknowledges that this type of behavior isn’t allowed, and continues to avoid generating controversy/drama after she is unbanned, we’d be happy to unban her.

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Hello Zach

That reasoning makes no sense. She was not spreading rumours. A rumour is gossip which may not be true. GBAura sincerely held the belief it was CP, and as such, told her friend. She did not spread any rumours, as she believed it to be true.

Furthermore, how do you know this alleged rumour isn’t actually fact? Why do you feel you are now the authority on what is and is not a legal offence, being both in a position where I doubt you know the full laws from GBAura, Colatiel or even your own place of residence, plus being biased in the sense that you know Colatiel?

Even so, are you really saying you’re now policing people’s friendships? Is that really where you’re going with this? Is it now Freddit policy that talking about other people with statements that your team disagree with is a bannable offence, and the only way to become unbanned is to essentially say their actions caused harm regardless of their own belief of the matter?

You realise, the phrase “Judge, Jury and executioner” is quite literally the most fitting situation in this situation. It was made specifically for people, groups and moments such as these. You also realise the phrase “Kangaroo court” is likewise applicable, as it is 1 user vs a closely knit elite of FNaF moderators, and that they are treated as guilty and forced to bend the knee based on a group of 8 moderators.

–Sean “User #6” “Kizzycocoa” Roberts

and the only way to become unbanned is to essentially say their actions caused harm regardless of their own belief of the matter?

You misunderstand. We want to hear from them that they acknowledge their actions were not allowed. We’re not trying to make people pretend they feel sorry. You’re free to disagree with our rules all you want, but you still must abide by them if you wish to use /r/fivenightsatfreddys.

Anyways, I answered your question- I’m not going to debate with you. We’ve laid our terms out quite clearly.

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I want to get this perfectly clear from you.

User A thinks User B made CP wholly and sincerely, and discusses this with User C in a private message.

You claim then that you have authority – and indeed, a moral right – to ban User A.

Is this correct?

–Sean “User #6” “Kizzycocoa” Roberts

Yes, we have a right to ban users who spread damaging rumors about members of our mod team. Additionally, GBaura had planned to “expose” the team in order to make us “look really bad” over these accusations.

We have no intention of being harsh with GBaura’s ban. Again, we’d like an acknowledgement that this type of behavior isn’t acceptable.

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Hello Freddit Moderation

Based on prior bans, I do believe you let the newcomers in on ban appeals. Great news! It has been 16 days since my last ban, and I’m feeling lucky this time.

I am appealing my ban, of which we should all be quite familiar with.

I appeal it on the grounds that nothing has happened, and all charges thrown at me are speculation at best. I further go on to claim that running a fake presidential run to Freddit is not harmful, particularly one campaigning for ethical ban reform.

I further state that citing “I expected a reaction” is a ridiculous reason to ban someone. People post things to Reddit to get reactions. People make things for reactions. It is what this entire platform is made for, posting content to get reactions.

I further appeal it on the grounds that the length of the ban is absolutely ridiculous, now being well over a half year.

I also claim that Freddit is in violation of the Reddit Moderator Guidelines. Particularly:

• 1 – Engage in Good Faith (Freddit has shown no good faith to my planned action of a fun parody presidential campaign)
• 4 – Clear, Concise, and Consistent Guidelines (particularly note “Secret Guidelines aren’t fair to your users—transparency is important to the platform.”)
• 8 – Appeals (“Moderator responses to appeals by their users should … work through education, not punishment.”, yet I was only properly informed of my ban reason one or two appeals back, just under a half year into my ban, with many differing reasons given throughout. Further, even Freddit moderators cannot tell me what is wrong with my campaign – even if I say I won’t post it on Freddit, you claim authority to keep me banned).

It is worth noting that Reddit also state they do intervene, outlined in section 12. These guidelines are not simply guides, but rules Reddit impose on communities.

In short, I appeal because:

• The event in question not having even happened yet
• All allegations against me are speculation at best based on future events that have not occurred
• The insane amount of time you’ve banned me for over something that has not occurred

On top of all this, I claim this entire ban has and is violating Reddit’s own guidelines for moderators concerning:

• Good Faith
• Clear Rules
• The mismanagement of the Appeal to date over the last half-year

I continue to claim I have done no wrong – and indeed, will do no wrong in future. If this appeal is still not resolved, I will be in contact with Reddit moderators to get their opinion on this entire case, and the Freddit moderation’s following of Reddit’s moderator guidelines.

Sincerely,

User #6

Hi Kizzy,

After reading your ban appeal, our stance on your ban has not changed. We don’t plan on unbanning you at this time. If you feel like our mod team has violated Reddit site guidelines, feel free to send a report here.

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Hello Zach.

I see. Under Reddit moderator guidelines, moderators should be clear and transparent about rules that have been broken, with no secret rules.

Therefore, before this appeal ends, I would like you to cite the specific rule I have broken that warrants the ban to be upheld, as is your obligation under the moderator guidelines. With particular consideration to the fact that I have already said I would be willing to not post the campaign to Freddit.

You have said the reason is obvious etc etc. In past comments. I do believe you have cited the issue, but not the rule. The rule I have broken has never been cited. I wish for you to do so, as outlined in the moderator guidelines.

–User #6

Hi Kizzy,

As we’ve said before, your behavior did not violate a specific rule, rather we found your behavior as a whole to be harmful to our subreddit. That being said, we have made it very clear exactly what conduct resulted in your ban and have provided a clear path for you to become unbanned. The reasons behind your ban are not a secret.

We may however look into adding a specific rule against certain behavior to prevent a situation like this from occurring again.

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Hello Zach

To clarify, My actions do not violate any rules. I am being banned based on content that I have said will not be on Reddit, and as of yet does not exist.

Is this the case?

–User #6

Hi Kizzy,

I believe we have made your exact ban reason very clear. You have been banned for your consistent behavior. Please reread our prior messages if this is unclear.

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Hello Zach.

I was actually aiming for a more definitive answer. I will be more frank. I would like a yes or no to the following statements:

1. Kizzy’s ban is not supported by any of the Freddit rules or Reddit Reddiquitte
2. I am being banned primarily due to the Fleshmonger campaign, which has not yet started and I have said could be kept off of Freddit

Thanks in advance for your reply,

–User #6

I would like a yes or no to the following statements

Your ban is not as simple as to give “yes” or “no” answers.

1. Again, your behavior did not violate a specific rule, rather we found your behavior as a whole to be harmful to our subreddit
2. You are banned for your behavior, which included creating the Fleshmonger campaign.

I’m going to have to say that this appeal is over; We’ve made our stance perfectly clear. Like I said before, you’re free to send a report to the admins if you choose.

Feel free to appeal again in 14 days.

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Well, it’s that time of year again. It’s time for the circus to roll up to town, because I’m about to experience the best mental gymnastics of the appeal so far! And I didn’t even have to pay to get into the big tent!

The current claim is that my behaviour is what’s the root of my ban. This is your primary issue, with a hint and a nod to the Fleshmonger. However, in response to a recent unrelated drama I am keeping heavy tabs on, you claim that actions on another platform do not concern you. Further, that action is provable slander too. Like what you accused me of, but actually provable damaging slander.

Nice! Perfect! I like the sound of that moxie! So, that must mean I am being banned for my behaviour on your platform, as my behaviour outside of Freddit is not actionable, according to your own standards.

We’re getting places! So, the question is, what did I post to Freddit that brings my behaviour to disrepute, to the point that not only am I banned, but have been for over a half year? What did I actually post onto Freddit to cause this ban?

And I am going to press this. I want to see that content. You have made it very clear that:

• Behaviour outside of Freddit does not concern the Freddit team.1
• Actions as bad as slander outside of Freddit is not going to be actioned by the Freddit team.1
• I am being banned for my behaviour.2

So, if we put these three together, we will get an action I took on Freddit, which did concern the team due to my behaviour.

This will not be concerning the Fleshmonger or FreeBlue naturally, as both are not on Freddit, and as such, both are not the concern of the Freddit mods. Further, any future plans will also not be on Freddit, as I have offered. So I do not expect to see them make an appearance here. It will also be before my ban of course, otherwise you’re just banning due to future potential crimes, which would be highly unethical.

Please, do let me know what specific event satisfies those conditions. I’ll try to get a nice view of the high-rope while you’re all setting up!

Sincerely,

–User #6

Hi Kizzy,

you claim that actions on another platform do not concern you.

Please don’t take messages out of context. Skyhawk was saying that he was banned/punished on another subreddit because the moderators of that subreddit think that he did something wrong. We replied that it’s not something we can help with and that his personal drama on those subreddits isn’t related to us.

So, the question is, what did I post to Freddit that brings my behaviour to disrepute, to the point that not only am I banned, but have been for over a half year? What did I actually post onto Freddit to cause this ban?

Once again, (as stated in your previous ban appeal response), your ban reason is that we found your behavior as a whole to be harmful to our subreddit (including the individual incidents that constitute said behavior).

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Hello Zach

Even with the context, It still states drama on other platforms has nothing to do with your mod team.

In this case, replace the subreddit with FnaFLore, and the situation is functionally the same. Something occurred on another subreddit, and you wash your hands of it. Where here, Something occurred on FNaFLore, you took action. Are you retracting that statement?

–User #6

Hey Kizzy,

It’s not true that your banning is unrelated to the subreddit. We all know that you originally planned to put Fleshmonger on the subreddit, you actually pushed him into it with your drawing campaign after the banning too. Even if you backtracked later and said you would not post it on the sub, the discussion in the appeals was related to the subreddit, you were claiming that your campaign is non-harmful and that you should be able to post it here. It’s not about FNaFLore, and we said multiple times that you’re free to post the campaign on your website. It doesn’t change the fact that your appeals are related to the subreddit, if we unbanned you based on the last discussion, we would agree that Fleshmonger can appear there.

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Hello Filip

well, lets focus on past “sins” first. It is true, initially, I planned to post him to Freddit. But, you see, human beings were gifted, right, with an amazing invention. Fingers, and free speech. So, when Zach contacted me, he wasted these glorious resources – a resource found in abundance – well unless you’re amputated, then you’re shit out of luck – but still, glorious abundance. There are fingers all over the place, and voices happen daily at least once in most towns.

So when I planned to do this, Zach did engage his own sets of fingers and typed voice. With these remarkable fantastical skills, he had every possibility to say, we won’t allow this. He did not.

So, I have done so for you. I will not post it to Freddit. It is now unrelated to the subreddit, as it is not going onto the subreddit. It is also worth noting, this has been my position since day 1 of my ban, as evidenced in my PMs with Zach. Indeed, I claimed it should be allowed, and still do. But if it is not, oh well. Some people claim you should be able to smoke in nurseries. Some people claim that snake oil works. some people claim that Clinton would have been a good president. People say all sorts of things, both crazy and not. As long as they follow the social contract for the space they are using, does that really matter?

It’s only as related to the subreddit as it is a campaign over a subreddit position. I do not think this is wrong, as we see IRL, obvious parallels. Are people arresting Lord Buckethead? What of Vermin Supreme? What about fucking Elmo and Mr Fish Finger? This is hardly out of the ordinary. Hell, those are on the same platforms as those they’re campaigning against, this isn’t even that.

But even so, you claim my banning is now related to Freddit. You’re now on record as saying my ban IS related to the subreddit. Mix this with the claim it is my behaviour, and this implies my behaviour must be related to Freddit.

So, I ask again, What did I do on Freddit to deserve what has so far been a 6 month ban? I want the event. the event that ties Freddit and myself. One that has to have taken place on Freddit.

I don’t care for stuff happening since. If that’s now the reason, repeal this ban and immediately reinstate another, we’ll go to war over that one too. I want to know, for this ban, what behaviour did I display over half a year ago that is clearly related to Freddit?

–User #6

Regardless of how the ban has been dealt and how it could have been dealt, you still were banned for planning the Fleshmonger campaign on our subreddit, after your past behaviour and dramas. That’s the reason. It is related to the subreddit even if no actions have happened yet. Your other actions over the two years before your ban did affect the subreddit directly and Fleshmonger was just the tipping point.

This reason alone does not deserve a six-month ban, however, the actions that have happened after the ban prolonged it. If we came to a conclusion and you did accept our terms, it could have ended after a month or two.

You say: “I don’t care for stuff happening since. If that’s now the reason, repeal this ban and immediately reinstate another, we’ll go to war over that one too.” However, your later actions are related to the same issue, it makes no sense to reinstate the ban.

After you said that you won’t post Fleshmonger on the sub, the Drawing campaign happened that pushed him here regardless after your banning. I sent the image where you were talking about “strategies to get the Fleshmonger onto the subreddit if the posts were taken down” and you countered it saying it’s just a joke, but it did happen, you did push this character even if we banned you for this very reason. It was clear that you didn’t accept our terms even if you said you would not post it. It was insincere if you ignored it later, which makes your situation even worse.

In short, you were banned for planning to push the campaign, and after you were banned you pushed it regardless. The initial banning was also related to your problematic behaviour and dramas you have participated in for the last two years, Fleshmonger was the last straw. We already stated what we expect of your appeal and we still await your response.

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Hello Filip

Slowly, slowly getting somewhere. With every message, a lurch forward.

Once again, I do not care for ban reasons after my ban. I was banned for 1 issue, so I will tackle that 1 issue. If that issue is now no longer an issue, the ban is done. If the ban is done, then I want to know precisely how much time I served for that ban, so I can keep track of the time I have already wasted attempting to sort this out when the reason was already served. This is standard, you understand. It’s how every single courtroom on earth operates. You get a sentence. It has offences to which time served is ascribed. You can then break down your punishment to the day, ensuring you know precisely why you are being punished at all times. Even those imprisoned for life have actual years ascribed to them, it’s simply that they will not run out before they die.

Rule of law, Filip. This is the basic system behind any punishment system, be it jail, detention or naughty-chair time. I expect your punishment system to follow the global consensus on how people should be informed as to why they are being punished.

If you say the other reasons are why the ban is happening, the initial issue is null and void. If you are going to drop the Fleshmonger campaign as the reason for my present banning, then good, we can let that lie and resolve the further charges. It is absolutely crucial that at this moment, concerning this ban, the specific reasons are laid bare in simple points. It is only fair, for all sides, this is done.

The ban was on the 23rd of February. I said that I would have respected Freddit mods if they said not to post it on Freddit, on the exact same day I was banned. This has been on the table since day 1. As far as I’m concerned, this is all Freddit are entitled to ask of me.

Now, you have admitted yourself that the ban should have ended after 2 months or so. Not only this, but your ban also retroactively included all of my past issues, meaning the actual Fleshmonger ban was worth under 2 months. Of course, this implies I am guilty in any way, to which I wholly contest. But sure, let us play this game.

I was banned on the 23rd. Why then was my ban perpetuated beyond the 23rd of April? You see, you have now specified deserved time of my offence, or at least a rough ballpark. There is now blood in the water, Filip. If indeed it was an offence, which for the sake of argument, I will grant you. Fine. Whatever. There is still over 4 additional months I have been banned for that I demand be quantified and explained. What then are the punishments that are valued at 4 months – bearing in mind, 2 months is for the Fleshmonger and all other offences I have ever purportedly made on Freddit, as you just stated here.

Even though I apologised for the two major issues in question (Popgoes and the Kizzylore insult), but I guess you guys hold no quarter for apologies. Any mistake, and you’ll hold me to it forever, and giving in and apologising is futile. So I will promise to never publicly apologise in future. Clearly, that post would be meaningless. It doesn’t matter that I apologised, it’s something you can cling to, apology be damned. Thank you for learning me some good user behaviour, never apologise if you fuck up, it won’t matter. A+ moderating there, I shall add.

Furthermore, you say I know what to do. Like fuck do I know what to do. It took fucking months, trying to bleed your entire team like they were fucking stones. Worse, as if they were completely clear glass pebbles. Just to try to get any sort of reason as to my ban reasoning. I thought, it is probably the campaign, but why? I conceded I won’t post it to Freddit. This much I feel your team are entitled to. Yet your team continues to ban me for no actionable rule – even with the later art campaign, to which I’d happily grant you your ban time because why not. Fine. It was my birthday and I was fucking annoyed at the ridiculous state of my ban and the shambling ragtag group that this community tries to consider a credible moderating team. I thought I’d try to have some fun. It was cheeky, but also, crafted to ensure it would not violate any rules.

To this day, I only know of one thing you want. You want me to admit the Fleshmonger campaign was harmful. This, despite you showing absolutely no proof of your claim. You ASSERT it would be harmful to push for moderator ethics while dressed up as a killer(ALLEGEDLY) chinchilla Where is the proof? You point to past offences as proof. Well, two can play that game. I point to your entire track record (because remember, apologies mean nothing) as a mod team as proof my ban is unjust. All of the bans, from jokes to UCN completion claims to reporting potential CP content.

And you then wonder, why am I like this? Why do you feel I’ve been “worse” since, treating the process with less respect and more open contempt as time goes on? I don’t know, perhaps it’s the massive amount of my fucking time you’ve wasted on something that has not happened and has not violated a single rule to date, which could have been better spent elsewhere. I think someone who’s been expelled from a public and open platform for something they see as completely idiotic insanity from a team clearly out for blood is going to understandably not take this seriously. I mean, you’re banning me for a potential future violation of a rule that does not exist, with a clear history and bias against me. Oh yes, I am biased in the inverse. I used to not be, but now, your team has to fucking burn. But I’m not the one handing out bans. I’ve actually treated your moderators as I would any other user in my Discord.

To comply with your demand, I need to be shown that the campaign would be harmful. To be shown, I need demonstrable proof that the campaign is harmful. To this day, I have not seen this proof, and so if I were to say it is harmful, I would be lying, just to be unbanned. You expect me to say my campaign was harmful? How could I possibly do that when there is absolutely no evidence, and it has not even started? All you throw at me are allegations. Allegations are not proof, Filip. Proof is proof. That I had to type that sentence to a group that proclaims to be a semi-competent team of people – let alone moderators – just caused a quite literal gag of sick from the deepest recesses of my stomach. That isn’t even a joke, either. It’s either you or the absurd amount of Cream Soda I’ve just drunk. Honestly, it’s a 60/40 chance right now.

Your terms are impossible for me to achieve. Take that in. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO ADMIT HARM WHEN I CAN SEE NO CAUSE AND EFFECT FOR HARM. Proof Proof Proof Proof Proof Proof Proof Proof, DRILL THAT IN. I NEED proof to believe your accusations, but none has been provided. You simply point to past offences, as if that tactic cannot be used to point to your litany of banned users I am compiling in order to drag you off of your moral high horses and face the fact that you are fucking human and you are not above critique. We are all fucking human. Even the Fleshmonger is canonically fucking human. Freddit is run by mostly children who have mostly no training as moderators, yet you claim in absolutes and you think that solid proof and rule citations are above you. You think you are right, so you have the fucking gall to demand we admit guilt where for me, there is literally no guilt as the campaign is scheduled for 2019. It’s not even begun. I too am human. Perhaps my approach for ban reform has not been the best, but it has been true to me. Perhaps I am wrong, who knows. Maybe in 20 years, I’ll look back and see what you see. But now, as an adult that has more life experience than any member on the team, I cannot see what you are seeing. Saying “but your past mistakes” means nothing. Evidence is everything. If someone is convicted of stealing from a corner shop, that does not give the bank a right to send them to jail if they step foot in the bank. Oh sure, put an extra guy on guard. But as it stands, I already know for a fact you are – or at least were – practically in love with my account history for a time, stalking my comments on your subreddit.

If you can convince me it was harmful, go for it. Give me evidence. But I remain firm that it was not harmful. You are claiming the harmfulness is objective fact, when it is not. Hell, the campaign isn’t even out. That is not a claim you get to make. It is, at best, pure speculation from a completely biased team who have had an axe to grind for some time.

And if there is some other violation you need me to answer for, be out with it. All I know you want is an admission of guilt where no guilt exists. This is impossible, unreasonable and an attempt to get me to admit fault where there is none, thus setting some form of precedent for any future actions I take. If there is anything else you’re expecting, you have not vocalised it. As I said before, you’ve all got fingers I presume. You can all type. Lay out whatever moderator-based demands you have, and we’ll be at least one step closer to understanding each other’s positions. I may not agree to them, but at least I’ll actually understand this mysterious expectation you seem to have. If you say you can’t, or you’ve already said it, or it’s too complex to put into like 5 bullet points max, then perhaps you should re-evaluate this case, and your very positions on the team.

I am User #6. I have paid my 2 months of bantime, and then an additional 5 months, 21 days, 22 hours 20 minutes and 10 seconds.

Hi Kizzy,

It’s how every single courtroom on earth operates.

The subreddit is not a courtroom.

If you are going to drop the Fleshmonger campaign as the reason for my present banning, then good, we can let that lie and resolve the further charges.

We are not “dropping” the Fleshmonger, to quote from the message Buzzek sent you last:

“The initial banning was related to your problematic behaviour and dramas you have participated in for the last two years, Fleshmonger was the last straw.”

Now, you have admitted yourself that the ban should have ended after 2 months or so.

Buzzek said that if you had pledged to change your behavior your ban would have likely ended after a month or two, not that your actions were only worth a two month ban. The point is that instead of trying to change your behavior you doubled down, which lead to your ban being as long as it is.

Why then was my ban perpetuated beyond the 23rd of April?

1. You have not agreed to the terms we have set
2. You doubled down on your problematic behavior with things such as the art contest and your behavior in general after being banned

You want me to admit the Fleshmonger campaign was harmful.

No we don’t. You don’t have to believe that it was harmful. Regardless of what you think, we want to hear that you’re going to change your behavior. Whether you personally think it was harmful is irrelevant. Furthermore, it’s not just the Fleshmonger campaign alone, like we’ve said time and time again. Your behavior as a whole is what we’d like to see changed as we believe it’s harmful to the subreddit. Change your behavior if you want to use our subreddit.

I don’t know, perhaps it’s the massive amount of my fucking time you’ve wasted

You have chosen how to spend your time.

you’re banning me for a potential future violation of a rule that does not exist

“The initial banning was related to your problematic behaviour and dramas you have participated in for the last two years, Fleshmonger was the last straw.” Once again, the Fleshmonger was not your only ban reason, only one incident on top of many before it.

You expect me to say my campaign was harmful?

No, we expect to hear from you that you will make an effort to change your behavior, and we’d like to see a continuing effort to do so, whether or not you believe it is harmful.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO ADMIT HARM WHEN I CAN SEE NO CAUSE AND EFFECT FOR HARM

We don’t want you to admit harm, we want to hear that you plan on making an effort to change your behavior.

All I know you want is an admission of guilt where no guilt exists

Nope, we just want to hear that you’ll change your behavior because we believe it’s been harmful to the subreddit. Additionally we’d like to see a commitment to that statement after the ban is lifted.

Unless you plan to agree to the terms we have laid out for your unbanning, this ban appeal is now over.

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Zach

At last, we agree on something. No, this is not a courtroom. To try to call it a kangaroo court would still be too kind. This is some form of inquisition, and the funny thing is, to this day, no evidence can even be dredged up to justify the ban. For an inquisitor, you’re doing a pretty shit job. The best you have is an event that has not happened, to which I even said on day one of the ban, I’d be happy to not post it to Freddit. That is your best shot at trying to justify the ban.

Furthermore, cut this bullshit out with “problematic behaviour”. That is an allegation, not a charge. You cannot go through this appeal clinging from buzzword to buzzword as if you can somehow fool me, I will not have it. You cannot hide behind your buzzwords, I will flush you out every single time. Simply saying “But muh behaviour” is not a ban reason.

Let me do what you clearly have not done despite dismissing one of my appeals over it: your schoolwork.

Freddit’s moderation is completely corrupt, the head moderator is spineless and is no longer fit for his position.

That is an assertion. an assertion is a statement that asserts a fact without proving it. Some assertions are more valid than others. One can safely assert that people need to consume food in order to live. Some assertions can require clarification in order to establish the precise nature of the assertion, in order for it to hold weight in the real world.

Freddit’s ban policy has led to a large amount of corruption in the team. This is particularly exemplified with the bans against three users, Kizzycocoa, GBAura and SuperStuHD. The first had a lot of personal history with the mods. despite breaking no rules, he was banned, presumably due to this history. The reason given was a campaign he planned, even though that was outside of Freddit. The second user questioned the legality of one of the moderator’s artwork, concerned it was CP. they too got banned, by the very user whom they had raised the concerns about. The last got banned for simply stating – falsely or truthfully – that they beat UCN’s hardest mode. These three bans are hardly the extent, but it shows a vast amount of overreach and persecution of naysayers to the moderation. To fix this issue, Freddit should ban according to the rules, and also only ban those whom have done wrong on their platform.

Concerning Invaderzz, he has become quite concerning within the team. He refused to implement fair ban reform, despite agreeing to Kizzycocoa in PM over several bans that were unjustified, and on the ethical bedrock of his claims – or at least, that was the impression. Furthermore, he allowed a moderator to stay on the team whom personally insulted him so bad, he decided to go to bed, terribly upset by her personal insults. Despite this, he let the mod become a Freddit moderator. These both constitute a basis that he does not control his team, and he is spineless in the sense that he will not act for Freddit’s betterment for fear of the team leaving him, as he has expressed in the past.

For him to improve, he should take more control over Freddit’s Discord, so to ensure Freddit’s values are reflected in the Discord properly. He should act without fear of retribution from his own team, if it is an action that would help Freddit overall, and especially due to the official partnership. Further, he should ensure those in his team that are infighting – particularly those whom personally attack him – are disciplined immediately with warnings, and ultimately, demotions in the worst of cases. Promotions onto Freddit do not count as disciplining, but as giving power to someone whom clearly has no respect for their fellow colleagues.

That, my friend, is also an assertion. But, did you notice something extra? Something the later text had, which the prior text did not? it was quite subtle, I’ll give you that. There are these things interspersed within the text, typically close to the subject they’re referring to. These are called “reasons”. they help to reinforce the assertion by adding solid events that help to convey the point. These “reasons” are demonstrable and are typically well recorded and provable in the form of “evidence”, which we will cover in a future module.

Further, towards the end of both paragraphs are short sentences called “solutions”. These are invaluable text snippets which indicate alternate behaviours that can resolve the problematic assertions by proposing alternative pathways going forward. This helps to convey that the writer is fully engaged in the topic, and can lead to a much swifter and orderly resolution in many cases to the outlined problems.

Now that elementary English 101 has been established, I would like a report on my desk covering the assertion of “your behaviour is problematic”. This assignment will have no fewer than 200 words that detail the accusation. While it may be difficult, you will need to include both concepts of “reasons” and “solutions” within the text to obtain a pass.

It will be marked for grammar, and this will count towards your end of year test results. Here at FNaFLore’s “Basic Fucking English” division, we hold very high standards for our pupils. So, we would ask you study for this test. We will expect the entire assignment in by Monday, or you will automatically fail this module, and subsequently, the class.

Class dismissed.

–User #6

Head of the Basic Fucking English Division at The FNaFLore School of Theories and Degeneracy.

Hi Kizzy,

As stated previously, unless you agreed to the terms set to be unbanned, the ban appeal is over. You may send another appeal in 14 days.

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Zach

Did you not read a single word of what I said. To agree to terms, the terms must be laid out. “Behaviour” is a bullshit attempt at portraying a reason and you know it. I can look to your entire behaviour in this whole thing and point to every instance where you have failed in your basic moderator duties, and using that, claim your behaviour is out of line.

You have skipped any sort of attempt to do any step prior to “claim your behaviour is out of line”. You may as well be telling me to be unbanned, I have to not be me. How can I possibly agree to terms that are so vague they could mean literally anything I have ever done? It is extremely unreasonable to tell me to agree to terms that you have not laid out properly.

You are dragging out this appeal, month after month, fortnight after fortnight. Trying to scrape me off your shoe, as if I won’t persevere as I have proven for the last 7+ months. As if I’m not demolishing you on a regular basis.

Be a man, grow a spine and deal with me now. No more delays to kick the can down the road, as you have done constantly over and over – particularly, when it’s clear I am in the right and you’ve got nothing to respond to. We both know this is not over, and you continuing to evade is just exposing your poor skills as a moderator who cannot pin down why I am banned, because you know this reasoning is bullshit.

You know trying to shut this down just delays this conversation for 14 days. That’s all it does. So lets not waste more of either of our time in which I make you look a fool while whittling your reasoning away. Lets deal with this now.

What part of my behaviour do you demand change. You cannot just say behaviour and expect that to fly. It will not, and it is a gaping hole in the entire ban right now.

–User #6

Hi Kizzy,

If you’re still confused about your ban, please reread our previous messages. Your ban reasons and the changes in behavior we’d like to see have been stated repeatedly in our past messages. Your ban appeal is now over. You may send another in 14 days.

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Zach.

Absolutely not. You have said “Behaviour” a few times and claim the Fleshmonger triggered the ban – despite not breaking any rules and despite concessions that it would not be posted onto Freddit.

You have not once stated any change in behaviour you feel entitled to enact, nor any examples that I have exhibited such behaviour. You’ve only asserted that some behaviour at some point occured that you took personal issue with, and asserted that I know what needs to change.

Any further arbitrary fucking delays will be purely to waste both of our time, and I’m getting real tired of your constant stream of shit. If I appeal again, it’s going to once again be attempting to decipher your labyrinthine demands over an event that broke no rules.

This isn’t smart, Zach. This is lunacy. You look like a fool right now. No rule break. No cited behaviour. You have nothing, and your feeble attempts to mumble “it’s over. go…g-go home for 2 weeks now…” to any message I send to you is becoming more and more pathetic the further into this appeal we go.

–User #6

Hi Kizzy,

If you’re confused about the behavior we want to see change, please reread our previous messages as well as our post on ban policy.

Your ban appeal is over. Unfortunately it seems that a mute is necessary as you’ve repeatedly ignored messages saying your ban appeal is over. You may send a new appeal in 2 weeks.

You have been temporarily muted from r/fivenightsatfreddys. You will not be able to message the moderators of r/fivenightsatfreddys for 72 hours.

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It’s been a long time. How have you been? I’ve been really busy being banned. You know, after you banned me?

Well, it seems I finally have something to grip on to, no thanks to your entire team who point-blank refuse to give me a straight answer, but will tell complete strangers the full details and reasoning, and in only one message too! Perhaps more people should randomly ask you questions between my appeals and send me their replies, so we can speed this up.

The time between my ban appeals coming through the moderator’s mandated 2-week bedtime is really far too short for me to continue prying apart your reasoning, and honestly, I’m barely taking this seriously at this point. Why should I take this seriously, when the mod team clearly aren’t?

What really disappoints me, is it is YOU who is re-treading old ground. You seem to have somehow collectively lobotomised yourselves when I demolished those cited dramas. Some of you have effectively abandoned all logic and still cling to the Decoder drama, somehow becoming so demented in your thinking that you’ve rewritten what has happened in your heads.

So, let’s go through these AGAIN, and this time, I would like the decency for the mod team to either cede these issues, or argue against my points. Then, let them die. You are not going to win anyone over with these events, of which only 2 are genuine.

Decoder Drama

This is the one, of all of them, you need to let go of. That you stooped so low to try to cling onto it is embarrassing and pathetic.

Decoder became a mod. I – without making a massive deal – privately went to you, showing screenshot proof that he was leaking Modmail (including ones from Scott you instructed them not to leak, which I have screenshot evidence of), as well as admitting to his friend that he was going to do moderator things on behalf of Gobble, whose full username escapes me.

The “drama” was from you and him. You did not enforce a no-details policy, and he then stirred it up himself. You were firm; you’d not discuss it publicly. He did so regardless. I only showed you proof.

You are citing an incident where you picked a shitty leaking mod, and I informed you of this privately. Somehow, I am the big bad. You cannot just throw shit at me and hope it sticks because I was somehow involved. I caused no drama.

I want you to either CEDE this drama, or CONTEND it with an actual argument against me.

The Basetown Drama

This one is cut and dry, and no doubt your biggest thorn. Basetown was completely absent during the MemeMachine fiasco, and as such, community discontent grew. Before my involvement, there were loads of users questioning his position. You yourself bemoaned how he was tyrannical in how he ran the subreddit, wanting all decisions to go through him.

I wrote an article to collate the anger and issues, because I know history repeats. ToyChica and Lies Like Lavender had issues before, and Basetown hunkered down, ignoring community outrage then. I saw the restrictions in place, and his terrible activity issues, and I felt, he needs to step down. He needs to hear the community. Many people wrote Reddit threads, so I wrote a page to put onto Reddit.

You yourself acknowledged my page on the drama ended it. He stepped down ultimately due to my page. I ended that drama, and the drama was caused weeks before I did anything, as I chastised Justin and Wally over in my video. I have the black and white proof that my article not only did not cause that drama, but came just before it ended, plus your quotes confirming, I ended it.

I want you to either CEDE this drama, or CONTEND it with an actual argument against me.

The Popgoes drama

As I have said multiple times, I own this one, even if it’s a result of me being misled. However, I did not perpetuate the drama. I wrote a full apology piece to end the drama either on the same day, or the next day. Use it as an example of some drama I caused, sure. But I want to make clear, this is not an example of me perpetuating drama, or fuelling it. I made it, drama happened, and I then – instead of keeping the drama going – apologised in full.

However, the moderators had NOTHING to do with it, so please retract your “oh look at us, we had to resolve it”. Bullshit. If anything, any former or current Freddit moderators who got directly involved actually approved of FNaFLore’s position. We were just given bad information, and I apologised in full – including a full explanation of why I did what I did for full context.

The Dolls

This “drama” was not mine. Scott did this one. I argued he should not have the legal right to take down a game, and I did so in an article, as it was easier to prove my point. He then came in like a bull in a china shop and claimed to be legally able to take down my site for the sheer fucking gall of arguing against him. He is responsible for this drama.

My argument was for the wider industry, and honestly, though I backpedalled a little bit (who wouldn’t when faced with a fucking legal scare?), I stand by my article’s sentiment. Scott should not be allowed to own this genre of games. A sentiment that, once again, Game Theory also echoed. He echoed, just like me, that Scott is in his own niche genre of games, but should not be able to legally take it down, but for one faulty ruling by a judge who was technologically inept.

I’d also ask, stop treating Scott like a fucking child. Afford him a bit more dignity in future. Unlike many on the team, he is a full man with a wife and family. He can fight his own battles if he wants to – which he has done many times – and does not need to be babied by people whom are as young as his children. That he and I got into a discussion – or even argument, as you claim – is an absolutely worthless statement, and it’s not a reason.

If you want to baby Scott, put it in your rules. “Scott is beyond reproach so you must treat him as a child at all times, and he is always right forever”.

I want you to either CEDE this drama, or CONTEND it with an actual argument against me.

FreeBlue

As I’ve said in the past, FreeBlue spent a grand total of 1 day on Freddit’s Discord. It has since evolved into an anti-Freddit meme by the community of Freddit rejects you have fostered.

One day of blue spam is negligible, particularly as I have kept it to FNaFLore since. This is a losing argument for you, as it has literally nothing to do with Freddit, and barely any grasp on its Discord. The only reason you hate it is because the outcast people of the community – people who you created whom fled to FNaFLore – use it as a fun meme to piss you off, and it works so well, even though Freddit itself was never part of the FreeBlue joke. Only it’s Discord.

I contend that this has no bearing on my behaviour here whatsoever. FreeBlue is a meme I claim, and it is an icon of moderator cowardice, bending the knee to people whom are universally considered to be assholes. I tried to resolve it civilly, as is well known. But, the team caved to the petulant tantrum Popgoes had. When you’re his friend, sure, Kane is a good guy. But I know many of your own team feels he is an asshole. Yet the Discord bent the knee to his tantrum.

The perpetuation of #FreeBlue by the FNaFLore community is seen as a rallying cry as its background is derived from Freddit moderators bending the knee. But, again, this has no bearing on the ban whatsoever.

I want you to either CEDE this drama, or CONTEND it with an actual argument against me.

Discord ban

I am a public figure. I need to ensure my community know I am unbanned, as my service and reach are – at the most, negligibly – affected by this ban. Oh, progress on the games are heavily affected. But, progress on the site’s popularity are, if anything, slightly slowed.

That I use my platform as a public figure to alert people that I am not on a platform would be used against me is inherently ridiculous. If Dawko was banned from YouTube, would you disallow any twitter update posts on Freddit?

Any answer that is not “we would allow it” is a lie. A complete and total lie. This situation is the same.

I want you to either CEDE this drama, or CONTEND it with an actual argument against me.

Kizzylore

This again, I cop to. Again I was agitated into this, and as someone whom took down their entire subreddit out of panic, I’d have though Zach could even partially sympathise with this. But once again, fully apologised for. I did a comment reply out of frustration and anger having felt attacked at all sides and I regret doing so.

But, once again, I wrapped that up the same day. I did not perpetuate or fuel any drama around that. I created it, and then tried to end it.

The Fleshmonger

For one, you yourself have said I can do this, if not on Freddit. So, I am. You have ceded this already. For two, I did not rally people over making him a mod. That would be absolutely foolish, as he isn’t even a real person. He is a character. The only goal I had – which has never changed – is raising awareness of ban reform.

But for two, this hasn’t even happened. At all. His campaign is yet to start. There has only been rhetoric on my server over this, and fan art. The campaign has not commenced yet, and when it does, I’ve already agreed not to post it to Freddit. Now, I cannot guarantee no other users will post it, but that is not something I can control.

I want you to either CEDE this drama, or CONTEND it with an actual argument against me.

For the time being, I want to end these reasons. Right away. If answered, we’ll move onto the grievances you have since (the art campaign, the personal insults and your terms to be unbanned) after you address this.

You may ask, why don’t you just get onto our terms? Simple. If I am immediately unbanned, you will weaponise these past issues to keep me on this ice. As you told the person who asked, the decision is based on “the accumulation of his drama provocations”.

Therefore, these dramas MUST be addressed before I even consider moving onto the ACTUAL terms. Otherwise, I am unbanned and on thin ice. I need to focus on these because you will not let them go, and they are not offences. The ones that are were dealt with.

I wish I could treat these seriously. I am trying, but this is just getting ridiculous. We’ve been over these reasons once before. Now, I’m nailing you to this cross. You need to address these. We need to hammer these dramas out, because by your own words, these are deciding factors in my ban, and will count against me for eternity, which isn’t even hyperbole. You’ve dug into every tiny action of my past in an attempt to keep me banned, adding hurdles upon hurdles when I knocked over the prior hurdles.

These points NEED to be addressed. Right now. But as time goes by, I have almost completely lost faith that you’re approaching these seriously, and lean more to the side that you are deliberately obscuring the reasons for my ban, and are deliberately muting me because you know, given enough time, I WILL break this entire ban apart.

I am User #6. I have been banned for 247 days, 12 hours and 12 minutes. I can’t be asked to convert the days to months – my code is only showing days, so days it is. I wish to be unbanned.

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